[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2023-10-26

https://www.w3.org/2023/10/26-i18n-minutes.html





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    [1]W3C

       [1] https://www.w3.org/

                              – DRAFT –
            Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

26 October 2023

    [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log.

       [2] 
https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/c5b143d1-0a5b-4adb-8d60-0f5f9bfe5a41/20231026T150000/
       [3] https://www.w3.org/2023/10/26-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Addison, Atsushi, Fuqiao, r12a

    Regrets
           JcK

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           atsushi, xfq

Contents

     1. [4]Action Items
     2. [5]Info Share
     3. [6]RADAR Review
     4. [7]no needs-resolution on vc-json-schema
     5. [8]Working with String Data Values (draft)
     6. [9]AOB?
     7. [10]Summary of action items

Meeting minutes

   Action Items

    xfq: there was some discussion on i18n-CSS joint call

    <addison> #54

    <gb> [11]Action 54 read Murata-san's ruby-t2s-req and Chinese
    requirements and Zaima and see what we're going to do (on xfq)
    due 2023-11-01

      [11] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/54

    addison: on ruby text-to-speech, what was discussion there and
    comment from Murata-san?

    <xfq> [12]https://w3c.github.io/ruby-t2s-req/

      [12] https://w3c.github.io/ruby-t2s-req/

    xfq: see link above for tracker issue
    … murata-san has been working on this document for a while
    … florian pointed this during i18n-css call
    … this document explains ruby requirements from Japanese point
    of view
    … and discussion was raised to see any additional requirement
    from clreq or other languages

    <xfq> Zaima

    xfq: I'll read Zaima document and will comment

    <addison> #53

    <gb> [13]Action 53 come up with a set of information CSS want
    the i18n group to provide support for generic font families (on
    frivoal, fantasai) due 2023-11-01

      [13] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/53

    addison: florian and fantasai presented on generic font support
    for i18n point of view
    … we had some discussion on generic font name, and had some
    idea for proposal

    xfq: there seems some discussion on registries like document,
    but florian seems to have some disagreement on having such
    … and framwork has not been initiated yet

   Info Share

    addison: published specdev to /TR/

    atsushi: Murata-san complained about replaced simple-ruby in
    jlreq

    [14]w3c/i18n-activity#1779

      [14] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1779

    <gb> [15]Issue 1779 [css-text] Extra spacing between ideographs
    and non-fullwidth punctuation/symbols (by w3cbot) [tracker]
    [s:css-text] [i:spacing] [spec-type-issue] [jlreq] [clreq]
    [t:typ_misc]

      [15] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1779

    [16]https://w3c.github.io/jlreq/docs/simple-ruby/

      [16] https://w3c.github.io/jlreq/docs/simple-ruby/

    xfq: have one point on text-spacing
    … between ideograph and other characters
    … this should be promoted to needs-resolution, since it's under
    real implementation
    … and discussion is required sonner than later
    … there are several issues identified
    … spacing between ideographs and others like wester characters,
    but there are open question on ideograph-like characters

    addison: that seems reasonable to mark as needs-resolution

    atsushi: as I reported in i18n/CSS call, there was so much
    ambiguity in the general category code
    … a lot of discussions about things like halfwidth kana
    … we may have some questions in the next jlreq call next
    Tuesday

    addison: if the spec isn't quite right or the implementations
    aren't quite right
    … then we should push on it

    atsushi: one interesting discussion is Circled Katakana
    characters
    … combining characters are quite messy

   RADAR Review

    <addison> [17]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

      [17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

   no needs-resolution on vc-json-schema

    atsushi: the spec has a i18n considerations section
    … I believe there's no need to have a i18n considerations
    section, because the considerations are in another spec
    … I raised an issue in i18n-activity

    [18]w3c/i18n-activity#1786

      [18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1786

    <gb> [19]Issue 1786 [VC-JSON-SCHEMA] overwritting
    internationalization consideration section? (by himorin)
    [pending] [s:vc-json-schema]

      [19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1786

    <addison> [20]https://www.w3.org/TR/
    vc-json-schema/#example-example-name-credential-schema

      [20] 
https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-json-schema/#example-example-name-credential-schema

    addison: I do see they have some examples that have name and
    description fields
    … and they're not serialised with lang and dir metadata
    … their example should include language=en and direction=ltr
    … either at the document level or for those fields
    … this document is about other stuff, but they exemplify
    natural language strings

    <addison> "name": "Name schema", "description": "A schema
    capturing a human name",

    addison: there's nothing wrong with the serialisation stuff and
    it's all valid JSON Schema

    [21]Schema.org

      [21] https://schema.org/

    [22]JSON Schema

      [22] https://json-schema.org/

    [23]https://json-schema.org/specification

      [23] https://json-schema.org/specification

    atsushi: JSON Schema doesn't have anything about language and
    direction metadata

    <gb> [24]Issue 108 JSON schema (by dontcallmedom) [Data]

      [24] https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/108

    addison: file that issue and I'll move it over to Awaiting
    comment resolution

   Working with String Data Values (draft)

    <addison> [25]https://
    deploy-preview-121--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#working-with-n
    on-localizable-and-localizable-data-values

      [25] 
https://deploy-preview-121--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#working-with-non-localizable-and-localizable-data-values

    addison: this is from my action item

    <addison> [26]https://
    deploy-preview-121--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#working-with-s
    tring-data-values

      [26] 
https://deploy-preview-121--bp-i18n-specdev.netlify.app/#working-with-string-data-values

    addison: see hashed link above
    … early days I wanted to see feedbacks on these sections

    addison: whole new section

    <addison> [27]w3c/bp-i18n-specdev#121

      [27] https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/121

    <r12a> specificatino -> specification

    xfq: second paragraph, above typo exists

    asigning -> assigning

    r12a: couple of questions, this is in markup and syntax
    section, not quite sure why this is not in more general advice
    … what is the point of this 8.3 section
    … what we are saying in this section is not matching with title
    … string data values are very bake, you also categorize normal
    as down style

    <xfq> maybe "predefined values" or "predefined constants"?

    addison: section marked as this is elements and attributes are
    identified as markup
    … names and values are written in syntax
    … we may state these to be syntaxed as well defined

    r12a: what we should do for strings and captalized schema

    addison: this is between strings and predefined strings, or
    seriarized strings

    r12a: syntax is small, and could drop from here
    … idea is to have specific markup, or perhaps in some syntax in
    general

    xfq: wanted to say another thing on markup and syntax, 8.3 is
    not specific to syntax
    … other markup is mentioned also
    … markups should be moved into another section?

    addison: upper 8.2 talks about identifiers, so could be?

    [discussion between markup and syntax...]

   AOB?

    r12a: small infoshare
    … mentioned last week, but I've been working on fonts' list and
    sample
    … and getting there
    … why decided to work on this, for generic callback categories,
    what kind of fonts exist in OS is important for generics'
    fallbacks
    … I think it's florian's ball to look into my article
    … this document makes understanding what is required

    [28]w3c/i18n-activity#1783

      [28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1783

    <gb> [29]Issue 1783 CSS `text-spacing` property and its
    longhands (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker]

      [29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1783

    xfq: since we have issue above, there is TAG issue on css
    property, and as i18n-tracker
    … one alternative might be having another label

    addison: we should be aware of these

    addison: we may need to ask TAG that what HR groups should work
    on review requested from TAG issue

    r12a: I would say we have s:css-text for specific to document
    … alternatively s:design-review or something could work?

    r12a: ask xfq for looking into the triage permission of the
    w3ctag org on github

    xfq: will take an action

    ACTION: xfq to check on permissions with w3ctag and follow up
    with plh on looking for notifications

    <gb> Created [30]action #56

      [30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/56

Summary of action items

     1. [31]xfq to check on permissions with w3ctag and follow up
        with plh on looking for notifications

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