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Re: How to define a value space that is a cross-product of simpleType value spaces?

From: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 15:59:25 -0500
Message-ID: <4D6ABB2D.7060700@arcanedomain.com>
To: "Costello, Roger L." <costello@mitre.org>
CC: Michael Kay <mike@saxonica.com>, "xmlschema-dev@w3.org" <xmlschema-dev@w3.org>
Yes, I agree with Michael. Furthermore, while there are practical limits, 
if you're that interested in the substructure of the name, might it not be 
appropriate to mark up the bits separately, I.e. with tags for <givenName> 
etc.? Not only is this more robust, if verbose, markup, it at least 
provides a foundation for dealing with the wide range of naming customs 
required to deal with a global user community.

(Having at one point worked for a company that built email, and thus 
address book systems, I can assure you that building a model that handles 
the full range of international naming conventions is very, very difficult, 
but not trying can lead to truly embarrassing results in many locales.)

Noah

On 2/24/2011 10:10 AM, Michael Kay wrote:
>
> I think you're confusing people by your terminology. You don't want a
> "cross-product" or an "aggregate". I think you want the type whose value
> space is the set of strings that can be partitioned in one or more ways
> into three substrings that match the three given types. I don't believe
> there is an automated way of doing that except in special cases, like where
> each of the types is completely defined by a regular expression, in which
> case you can simply concatenate the regular expressions.
>
> Incidentally, I just hate this "middle initial" notion. Perhaps it's true
> in America that 90% of people have names in this format, but it's horrible
> to impose it on everyone else.
>
> Michael Kay
> Saxonica
>
>
> On 24/02/2011 14:44, Costello, Roger L. wrote:
>>
>> Thanks. Good idea. However, thatís not quite what I am seeking.
>>
>> The Family-name simpleType implements a value space. No labels are
>> associated to it. Any number of labels could (later) be associated to it:
>>
>> <xs:element name="Family-name" type="Family-name" />
>>
>> <xs:element name="Surname" type="Family-name" />
>>
>> <xs:element name="Last-name" type="Family-name" />
>>
>> I wish to proceed in a similar fashion with an aggregate value-space.
>> That is, define the aggregate value space and then (later) associate any
>> number of labels to it and to its component value spaces.
>>
>> /Roger
>>
>> *From:*xmlplus custodians [mailto:xmlplus.custodians@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:38 AM
>> *To:* Costello, Roger L.
>> *Cc:* xmlschema-dev@w3.org
>> *Subject:* Re: How to define a value space that is a cross-product of
>> simpleType value spaces?
>>
>> Sorry, looks like you want to aggregate the types into a new type, is so
>> one could use a complexType consisting of the simpleTypes from your
>> example, like following:
>>
>> <xs:complexType name="Person-name">
>>
>> <xs:sequence>
>>
>> <xs:element name="familyName" type="Family-name"/>
>>
>> <xs:element name="middleInitial" type="Middle-initial"/>
>>
>> <xs:element name="givenName" type="Given-name"/>
>>
>> </xs:sequence>
>>
>> </xs:complexType>
>>
>> The individual types viz. Family-name, Middle-initial and Given-name have
>> their value-space already constrained in your example, so in that sense
>> this new complexType also has it's value space constrained.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:49 PM, xmlplus custodians
>> <xmlplus.custodians@gmail.com <mailto:xmlplus.custodians@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> How about something like this for PersonName simpleType:
>>
>> <xs:simpleType name="Family-name">
>> <xs:restriction base="xs:string">
>>
>> <xs:minLength value="3" />
>> <xs:maxLength value="201" />
>> <xs:pattern value="[a-zA-Z' \.\-]+\s+[A-Z]\s+[a-zA-Z' \.\-]+" />
>> </xs:restriction>
>> </xs:simpleType>
>>
>> The length range [3-201] is reached using the addition of ranges of
>> individual types : [1-100], [1-1], [1-100].
>>
>> The pattern is almost an concatenation of the individual regexes that you
>> are using for the 3 simpleTypes with following modifications ... the
>> hyphen was not escaped in the regex, it should be, else it would signify
>> range... added \s to allow for space(s) between middle name character and
>> the either side of it.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Costello, Roger L. <costello@mitre.org
>> <mailto:costello@mitre.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Suppose this is the value space for "family name" values:
>>
>> length: 1 - 100 characters
>> consists of the characters: a-z, A-Z, space, hyphen, period, and apostrophe
>>
>> That value space is implemented using this simpleType:
>>
>> <xs:simpleType name="Family-name">
>> <xs:restriction base="xs:string">
>> <xs:minLength value="1" />
>> <xs:maxLength value="100" />
>> <xs:pattern value="[a-zA-Z' \.-]+" />
>> </xs:restriction>
>> </xs:simpleType>
>>
>>
>> Suppose this is the value space for "middle initial" values:
>>
>> length: 1 character
>> consists of the characters: A-Z
>>
>> That value space is implemented using this simpleType:
>>
>> <xs:simpleType name="Middle-initial">
>> <xs:restriction base="xs:string">
>> <xs:length value="1" />
>> <xs:pattern value="[A-Z]+" />
>> </xs:restriction>
>> </xs:simpleType>
>>
>>
>> Suppose this is the value space for "given name" values:
>>
>> length: 1 - 100 characters
>> consists of the characters: a-z, A-Z, space, hyphen, period, and apostrophe
>>
>> That value space is implemented using this simpleType:
>>
>> <xs:simpleType name="Given-name">
>> <xs:restriction base="xs:string">
>> <xs:minLength value="1" />
>> <xs:maxLength value="100" />
>> <xs:pattern value="[a-zA-Z' \.-]+" />
>> </xs:restriction>
>> </xs:simpleType>
>>
>>
>> Now there are 3 user-defined value spaces. Let me denote them by F, M, G,
>> respectively. (F = Family, M = Middle, G = Given)
>>
>> I would like to aggregate them to create a "person name" value space.
>> This is the value space for person name:
>>
>> Person-name is the cross product: G x M x F
>>
>> Here is an example of a value in the Person-name value space:
>>
>> ("Roger", "L", "Costello")
>>
>> How do I implement the Person-name value space?
>>
>> /Roger
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> Satya Prakash Tripathi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> Satya Prakash Tripathi
>>
>
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