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RE: New AFTF draft.

From: Christopher B Ferris <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:52:04 -0400
To: "John J. Barton" <John_Barton@hpl.hp.com>
Cc: "'Carine Bournez'" <carine@w3.org>, "David Orchard" <dorchard@bea.com>, "'Henrik Frystyk Nielsen'" <henrikn@microsoft.com>, "'Jean-Jacques Moreau'" <moreau@crf.canon.fr>, "'Herve Ruellan'" <ruellan@crf.canon.fr>, xml-dist-app@w3.org, "'Yves Lafon'" <ylafon@w3.org>
Message-ID: <OFAF29F765.E735AFDF-ON85256C32.000DCB31-85256C32.000FA6FA@rchland.ibm.com>
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Christopher Ferris
Architect, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture
email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
phone: +1 508 234 3624

"John J. Barton" <John_Barton@hpl.hp.com> wrote on 09/11/2002 11:43:05 AM:

>  From the perspective of the SOAP module the attachments are
> resources.  That is why we use URIs to name them.
> 
>  From the perspective of the packaging module the attachments
> are representations.  It deals with bytes.
> 
> The confusing concept from the Web point of view is "Compound
> SOAP structure".  This programming construct cannot be
> precisely defined: it may contain pointers that are not bound.  A
> compound SOAP structure is a logically a "view" rather than a
> physical region of memory or a packet of data.  The construct
> that can be defined is the message package.  That is why writing
> the spec for the package is easier that defining how the package
> looks from the SOAP layer.
> 
> John.
> 
> At 06:44 AM 9/11/2002 -0700, David Orchard wrote:
> 
> >Seems to me it should be a representation rather than a resource.  Even
> >though the representation might be identified by a URI (and so be 
confused
> >with a Resource).  The web architecture is pretty clear that resources 
are
> >hidden by servers.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Dave
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: xml-dist-app-request@w3.org
> > > [mailto:xml-dist-app-request@w3.org]On
> > > Behalf Of Jean-Jacques Moreau
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:04 AM
> > > To: Christopher B Ferris
> > > Cc: Henrik Frystyk Nielsen; Carine Bournez; Herve Ruellan;
> > > xml-dist-app@w3.org; Yves Lafon
> > > Subject: Re: New AFTF draft.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > They're not resources, but representations of resources?
> > > Personally, I think part reads better than resource in this context.
> > >
> > > Jean-Jacques.
> > >
> > > Christopher B Ferris wrote:
> > > > Well, there's 'resource' which fits in nicely with the Web
> > > architecture.
> > > >
> > > > e.g.
> > > >         "Compound SOAP structure
> > > >          A compound SOAP structure consists of a primary
> > > SOAP message part
> > > >          and zero or more related resources."
> > > >
> > > > I would even go as far as to add: "identified by a URI".
> > >
> 
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