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RE: summary of soapbuilders discussion about inlining multirefs

From: Jacek Kopecky <jacek@systinet.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:54:11 +0100 (CET)
To: Andrew Layman <andrewl@microsoft.com>
cc: <xml-dist-app@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110301046400.23943-100000@mail.idoox.com>
 Andrew,
 as I showed for example in [1] and [2], graps with loops can be
serialized using only lexically backward references if the
referenced data can be serialized inline.

[1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soapbuilders/message/5594
[2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soapbuilders/message/5592

                   Jacek Kopecky

                   Senior Architect, Systinet (formerly Idoox)
                   http://www.systinet.com/



On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Andrew Layman wrote:

 > Forward references are necessary in graphs that have loops.
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Asir S Vedamuthu [mailto:asirv@webmethods.com]
 > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:35 AM
 > To: Jacek Kopecky; xml-dist-app@w3.org
 > Subject: Re: summary of soapbuilders discussion about inlining multirefs
 >
 > <snip> [1]
 > "There were various points that people were pointing out:
 >  1) maybe we should also disallow forward references
 > ..
 > Now let me detail the points.
 >  1) Some people felt forward references might be bad, other felt
 > my original proposal disallowed forward references. I propose to
 > keep forward references because they allow references from
 > headers to body, which might be necessary for things like
 > XMLDSIG, although any other referencing mechanism (most probably
 > XML IDREF) could be used instead of SOAP Encoding referencing."
 > </snip>
 >
 > I guess you are referring to id and href mechanism for representing
 > multi-references.
 >
 > In your proposal for Issue # 30 [2], you said that
 >
 > "remove the mentions of the attribute information items 'id'
 > and 'href' from sections 2 of both parts of the spec, for these
 > are encoding-specific attributes,"
 >
 > OK, so id and href are encoding-specific attributes.
 >
 > First, a question of clarification - you used the word necessary; why
 > would
 > XMLDSIG use SOAP Encoding specific attributes for referencing? Are they
 > currently using it?
 >
 > Second, like others, I also believe that forward references are bad.
 > 'Cos,
 > there is very limited payoff for a big cost.
 >
 > [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2001Oct/0231.html
 > [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2001Oct/0244.html
 >
 > Regards,
 >
 > Asir S Vedamuthu
 >
 > webMethods, Inc.
 > 703-460-2513 or asirv@webmethods.com
 > http://www.webmethods.com/
 >
Received on Tuesday, 30 October 2001 04:54:23 GMT

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