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RE: Toss section 5 (create SOAP-lite)

From: Doug Davis <dug@us.ibm.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:40:53 -0400
To: Daniela Florescu <daniela.florescu@propel.com>
Cc: "'Rich Salz'" <rsalz@zolera.com>, costello@mitre.org, xml-dist-app@w3.org
Message-ID: <OFF17039EC.EA7ED681-ON85256A9A.006673A0@raleigh.ibm.com >
ok, I'm a bit confused, section 5 says:
  Use of the data model and encoding style described in
  this section is encouraged but not required; other data
  models and encodings can be used in conjunction with SOAP

doesn't this clearly state that people can do their own
encoding.  I read this to imply that the spec is just laying
out one that people can use if they want to use a "common"
one - and even at that it's just a suggestion.
This doesn't change whether it could be in a different
non-core doc - but some people seemed to be implying that
this encoding style was "required" and I believe it clearly
states that it is not.

Daniela Florescu <daniela.florescu@propel.com>@w3.org on 07/31/2001
12:14:50 PM

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To:   "'Rich Salz'" <rsalz@zolera.com>, costello@mitre.org,
Subject:  RE: Toss section 5 (create SOAP-lite)

I don't think it is a naive comment at all.
In fact, I strongly agree with Roger and
I support the idea that the WG should
seriously consider to toss the section 5,
or to put it in a different (non mandatory)

The way I wrap the internal data of my application
(PL/SQL or Cobol for example because I am a database person)
into an XML document is my own internal business,
and I think it is inappropriate for a W3C WG to
standardize on this. In fact, section 5 does not help
me at all in this task, it just provides noise that
makes my task more difficult.

From my own experience, none of the companies that
I know or work with seriously consider to use the
information in Section 5 when they map their internal
data into Soap message bodies. Thinking that
 they will do is naive.

My 3 cents and a half,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich Salz [mailto:rsalz@zolera.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 7:27 PM
> To: costello@mitre.org; xml-dist-app@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Toss section 5 (create SOAP-lite)
> By design, SOAP enables both structured-data and xml-document
> exchange.
> Just because you find the latter completely sufficient is no
> reason cut
> the bar in half. :)
> So yes, I'd say it's a naive comment.
>    /r$
> --
> Zolera Systems, Securing web services (XML, SOAP, Signatures,
> Encryption)
> http://www.zolera.com
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