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From: G. Ken Holman <gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 08:21:46 -0400
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To: www-xsl-fo@w3.org

At 2002-08-09 11:53 +0200, Hugues Pichereau wrote:
>Tried, doesn't work.

??? Pardon me, but it does work, which is why I took the time to try it out 
with a conforming processor before posting the functioning snippet of markup.

>Here's the code :

Often showing the code doesn't help at all for two reasons:

  (1) - not showing the data means no-one can determine what is happening

  (2) - showing the data means someone has to take the time to figure out 
the XSLT instead of answer the question about XSL-FO

This is a long response because I think this is a very important issue for 
people who are new to this technology:  XSL-FO is just a vocabulary, and it 
doesn't matter how you get from your XML vocabulary to the XSL-FO 
vocabulary.  Showing a bunch of code and data changes your question from an 
XSL-FO question to an XSLT question.

When I teach XSL-FO, I don't teach XSLT ... I only teach the elements and 
attributes of the XSL-FO vocabulary because my students will all have 
different ways of getting to what they need.  For the exercises of the 
hands-on part of the course, a student can choose to either edit XSLT 
stylesheets if they know transformation, or they can just edit skeleton 
XSL-FO instances if they don't.  One didn't need to know XSLT to learn 
HTML, so I figure one needn't have to know XSLT to learn XSL-FO, and this 
has been well received by all of my students so far (18 deliveries to date, 
three more coming up in the next two months).

>"G. Ken Holman" wrote:
>...
>The following illustrates this to me on Antenna House

By showing you only the XSL-FO that is needed, you can consider how to get 
there from your XML, but I didn't post the example until I ran it with a 
processor to ensure I wasn't leading you astray.

You don't mention what processor you are using, but if the example XSL-FO I 
gave to you doesn't work in whatever processor you are using, then no 
amount of XSLT is going to help you get the result you want.  Did you even 
try to modify the snippet I gave you to meet the required end-of-line 
conditions in your situation to determine if the correct use of the 
vocabulary gives you the results you need with the processor you are using?

I don't see what more can be done for you other than showing you the 
vocabulary you need to get the result you are asking for ... that was, 
after all, what you were asking for in the first place.

If, of course, by saying "doesn't work" means you interpret that I have 
misunderstood the Recommendation and used the processor in an incorrect 
fashion, I would welcome a discussion citing chapter and verse of the 
Recommendation in order to foster a better understanding all around.  But 
just saying "doesn't work" without justification may bring the approach 
into question for a new user, which would be unfortunate if they believed 
it was wrong when it wasn't.

Regarding your post, http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list is a list 
that can help you with challenging XSLT questions.

I hope this helps people who are new to XSL-FO better understand about the 
nature of this technology.

................... Ken


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