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- Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:51:18 +0000
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Summary: lc-2: simple barenames for schema component designators
Product: XML Schema
Version: unspecified
Platform: PC
OS/Version: Windows 2000
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: P2
Component: SCDS: XML Schema Component Designators
AssignedTo: holstege@mathling.com
ReportedBy: holstege@mathling.com
QAContact: www-xml-schema-comments@w3.org
raised on 31 Mar 2005 by Dan Connolly (connolly@w3.org):
Please allow barename fragments to be used as schema component designator
right hand sides. For example #over17 in
http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/NOTE-daml+oil-walkthru-20011218/daml+oil-ex-dt#over17
If they're already allowed, please make it more clear that they
are; my reading of
3.1 Schema Component Designator Syntax
http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xmlschema-ref-20050329/
is that they're not.
We discussed this in March 2004...
[[
DC: Most pressing use case is pointing at user-defined datatypes. First
design that occurs to me is #sku. Why not?
MSM: Multiple top-level symbol spaces. #sku could be type, element,
attribute, notation, attribute groups, named model groups...
DC: OK, so don't do #sku to do that. Advise users to not have two
top-level things named the same.
...
]]
http://www.w3.org/2004/03/02-tag-summary.html#abstractComponentRefs-37
There seems to be little or no acknowledgement of the case
case of user-defined datatypes in OWL. The only thing I see is:
"RDF assertions about types, etc".
Please cite this section of the OWL recommendation among your
requiremenets...
"Because there is no standard way to go from a URI reference to an XML
Schema datatype in an XML Schema, there is no standard way to use
user-defined XML Schema datatypes in OWL."
-- http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-owl-semantics-20040210/syntax.html#2.1
And acknowledge this example from the DAML+OIL submission among
your use cases:
<xsd:simpleType name="over17">
<!-- over17 is an XMLS datatype based on positiveIntege -->
<!-- with the added restriction that values must be >= 18 -->
<xsd:restriction base="xsd:positiveInteger">
<xsd:minInclusive value="18"/>
</xsd:restriction>
</xsd:simpleType>
<daml:Class rdf:ID="Adult">
<daml:intersectionOf rdf:parseType="daml:collection">
<daml:Class rdf:about="#Person"/>
<daml:Restriction>
<daml:onProperty rdf:resource="#age"/>
<daml:hasClass rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/NOTE-daml+oil-
walkthru-20011218/daml+oil-ex-dt#over17"/
>
</daml:Restriction>
</daml:intersectionOf>
</daml:Class>
-- http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/NOTE-daml+oil-walkthru-20011218/#9
I still can't see why the design chosen in DAML+OIL shouldn't be
standardized in the XML Schema Component designators spec, so as
I say, please change the design too.
There is an extensive discussion history on this:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-schema-ig/2005Apr/0006.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-schema-ig/2005Apr/0055.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-schema-ig/2005May/0000.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-schema-ig/2005May/att-0028/2005-05-
06minutes.html#item05
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-schema-wg/2005May/0003.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-schema-ig/2005Jun/0005.html
The WG agreed to respond along the lines indicated by 2005Jun/0005.html,
clarifying why the "simple barenames" solution did not work, when it was
reported that TAG discussions had lead to a belief that the request was not
for a reference to schema types, but for the abstract notion of a type in
a namespace. There were many responses to this, including:
* the SCD draft therefore had no relevance to this question, and we should
respond accordingly
* the notion of a schema type unanchored to a schema was contradictory, and
the examples adduced in the initial comment do not support the view that
an unanchored notion of type is in play
* using a different syntax to refer to the abstract notion of type and a
specific type component in a schema would be unhelpful and confusing in
practice
* using the same syntax to refer to the abstract notion of type and a specific
type component in a schema would be unhelpful and confusing in practice
* using a URI composed from a namespace URI and a schema component path to a
type is no different and no worse than using a namespace URI in the first
place: if it dereferences to a specific component (or a specific schema) is
not germane to its use as an abstract identifier
* and various other positions
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