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Prediction is hard; Analysis harder

From: Walden Mathews <waldenm@optonline.net>
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:10:28 -0400
To: "Champion, Mike" <Mike.Champion@SoftwareAG-USA.com>, www-ws@w3.org
Message-id: <002001c3251a$8344afc0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup>

I do think this is largely an argument about something nebulous,
that "visibility" is not well enough specified for people to really
agree or disagree meaningfully.

In order to establish visiblity, I would think you'd need to resolve
that into a list of things a firewall or other intermediary MUST
be able to do, given a message of some candidate type (e.g., SOAP
or plain "REST" HTTP).  And that should be a "for all..." rule,
so that we're not talking about one exremely "visible" message
and lots of others with poor visiblity.

And then, since that intermediary's ability to do those things
will depend largely on the degree to which it has been prepared
to, you also have to look at the COST of preparing that visibility,
starting at some *established* baseline.  You need this check in
order to prevent inflated claims of capability.

Probably too much work...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Champion, Mike" <Mike.Champion@SoftwareAG-USA.com>
To: "Champion, Mike" <Mike.Champion@SoftwareAG-USA.com>; <www-ws@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:19 PM
Subject: Prediction is hard, especially about the future (was RE: Propose d
issue; Visibility of Web services)

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: www-ws-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of
> > Champion, Mike
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:04 PM
> > To: www-ws@w3.org
> > Subject: RE: Proposed issue; Visibility of Web services
> >
> >
> > I'm quite confident that  they will come to
> > agree that XML and SOAP offer visibility benefits that are
> > not possible with
> > opaque message payloads, and hence this issue is moot.
> Hmm, I see that Mark is confident of the exact opposite :-)
> http://www.markbaker.ca/2002/09/Blog/2003/05/20#2003-05-color
> Oh well ... I don't suppose that either of us should be speculating at
> My confidence stems solely from my sense of the logic of the WSA analysis,
> but obviously it remains to be seen whether others agree.  Sorry if that
> came across as presumptuous.
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