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Re: Proposed issue; Visibility of Web services

From: Anne Thomas Manes <anne@manes.net>
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:25:26 -0400
Message-ID: <00a601c3247d$5a0ba390$6f01a8c0@TPX21>
To: "Anne Thomas Manes" <anne@manes.net>, "Mark Baker" <distobj@acm.org>
Cc: "Www-Ws@W3. Org" <www-ws@w3.org>, <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>

Sorry -- typos. It should read:

A generic HTTP intermediary has little if any visibility into an HTTP POST
request if the contents of the HTTP message contain binary data. A SOAP
intermediary has significantly better visibility into an HTTP POST request
if the contents of the HTTP message contain a SOAP message.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Thomas Manes" <anne@manes.net>
To: "Mark Baker" <distobj@acm.org>
Cc: "Www-Ws@W3. Org" <www-ws@w3.org>; <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Proposed issue; Visibility of Web services


>
> A generic GTTP intermediary has little if any visibility into an HTTP POST
> request if the contents of the HTTP message contain binary data. A SOAP
> intermediary has significantly better visibility into an HTTP POST request
> is the contents of the HTTP message contain a SOAP message.
>
> Anne
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Baker" <distobj@acm.org>
> To: "Anne Thomas Manes" <anne@manes.net>
> Cc: <www-ws@w3.org>; <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Proposed issue; Visibility of Web services
>
>
> > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 01:41:16PM -0400, Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
> > > Mark Baker said:
> > > > A generic processing model is not a generic application.
> > >
> > > Maybe not, but that's not the point of this discussion. The point is
> > > visibility.
> >
> > ... and the role of a generic application in improving visibility.
> >
> > > A SOAP intermediary has excellent visibility into SOAP messages.
> >
> > I don't believe so.
> >
> > One more time, from the top ... 8-)
> >
> > A generic HTTP intermediary has better visibility into an HTTP
> > transaction than a generic SOAP intermediary has into a SOAP
> > transaction, because generic HTTP intermediaries are hardcoded to
> > understand HTTP application methods, while generic SOAP intermediaries
> > aren't hardcoded to know about any application methods.
> >
> > Even if you believe that HTTP is just for humans and browsers, this
> > should be self-evident, I believe.  But I understand, first hand, that
> > it takes some reworking of mental models to grok.
> >
> > MB
> > --
> > Mark Baker.   Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA.        http://www.markbaker.ca
> > Web architecture consulting, technical reports, evaluation & analysis
> >   Actively seeking contract work or employment
> >
>
>
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