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Re: Proposed issue; Visibility of Web services

From: Anne Thomas Manes <anne@manes.net>
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:14:58 -0400
Message-ID: <007301c3247b$e3fecd90$6f01a8c0@TPX21>
To: "Mark Baker" <distobj@acm.org>
Cc: "Www-Ws@W3. Org" <www-ws@w3.org>, <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>

A generic GTTP intermediary has little if any visibility into an HTTP POST
request if the contents of the HTTP message contain binary data. A SOAP
intermediary has significantly better visibility into an HTTP POST request
is the contents of the HTTP message contain a SOAP message.

Anne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Baker" <distobj@acm.org>
To: "Anne Thomas Manes" <anne@manes.net>
Cc: <www-ws@w3.org>; <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Proposed issue; Visibility of Web services


> On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 01:41:16PM -0400, Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
> > Mark Baker said:
> > > A generic processing model is not a generic application.
> >
> > Maybe not, but that's not the point of this discussion. The point is
> > visibility.
>
> ... and the role of a generic application in improving visibility.
>
> > A SOAP intermediary has excellent visibility into SOAP messages.
>
> I don't believe so.
>
> One more time, from the top ... 8-)
>
> A generic HTTP intermediary has better visibility into an HTTP
> transaction than a generic SOAP intermediary has into a SOAP
> transaction, because generic HTTP intermediaries are hardcoded to
> understand HTTP application methods, while generic SOAP intermediaries
> aren't hardcoded to know about any application methods.
>
> Even if you believe that HTTP is just for humans and browsers, this
> should be self-evident, I believe.  But I understand, first hand, that
> it takes some reworking of mental models to grok.
>
> MB
> --
> Mark Baker.   Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA.        http://www.markbaker.ca
> Web architecture consulting, technical reports, evaluation & analysis
>   Actively seeking contract work or employment
>
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