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Re: Proposed issue; Visibility of Web services

From: Anne Thomas Manes <anne@manes.net>
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:14:47 -0400
Message-ID: <007701c3246b$539e9bf0$6f01a8c0@TPX21>
To: "Mark Baker" <distobj@acm.org>
Cc: <www-ws@w3.org>, <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>

Mark,

I'm sorry -- but I just don't see how you view Mike's response as
"agreement". I interpret his response to say that "hardcoded" intermediaries
are pointless (given the definition that the intermediary is hardcoded to a
specific WSDL document -- as you originally suggested).

With this message you seem to be changing your definition. Now you are
talking about "hardcoded to a generic application". Per this new definition,
all Web services management products qualify as a "hardcoded" SOAP
intermediary. They are hardcoded to process generic SOAP messages.

This word game is getting tiresome, though.

Anne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Baker" <distobj@acm.org>
To: "Anne Thomas Manes" <anne@manes.net>
Cc: <www-ws@w3.org>; <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: Proposed issue; Visibility of Web services


>
> Anne,
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 08:28:36AM -0400, Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
> > Mark,
> >
> > I don't think we ever came to this agreement.
>
> Well, Mike appeared to agree, despite having a misconception about
> intermediaries;
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws/2003May/0017.html
>
> But if I misunderstood his reaction, that's ok.  My point remains.
>
> > (We did agree that hardcoded intermediary are
> > pretty pointless.)
>
> Only in the case of Web services.
>
> Hardcoded intermediaries are valuable, so long as they're hardcoded to a
> generic application; the more generic the application, the more valuable
> the intermediary.  Since Web services interfaces are specific to the
> service, rather than generic like on the Web, I can completely
> understand why you believe that hardcoded intermediaries are pointless.
> But that doesn't mean that all of them are.
>
> Thanks.
>
> MB
> --
> Mark Baker.   Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA.        http://www.markbaker.ca
> Web architecture consulting, technical reports, evaluation & analysis
>   Actively seeking contract work or employment
>
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