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RE: Proposal for LC303 (was: What are the exemptions for use of IRI? )

From: Liu, Kevin <kevin.liu@sap.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:28:28 -0700
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To: "Rogers, Tony" <Tony.Rogers@ca.com>, "Jonathan Marsh" <jmarsh@microsoft.com>, "Hugo Haas" <hugo@w3.org>
Cc: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
Tony, 
 
Thanks. I like your friendly amendments.

Best Regards,
Kevin
  

 


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	From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org
[mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Rogers, Tony
	Sent: Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 4:17 PM
	To: Liu, Kevin; Jonathan Marsh; Hugo Haas
	Cc: www-ws-desc@w3.org
	Subject: RE: Proposal for LC303 (was: What are the exemptions
for use of IRI? )
	
	
	As a card-carrying pedant, I must urge the use of the word
"simplicity" rather than "simplification", as the second word of the
second paragraph. I suggest replacing "you might want to" with "you
might care to" in the second sentence of the same paragraph - yeah,
yeah, "wordsmithing" (but I AM a wordsmith!).
	 
	I like this change - it is simple and clear - these are good
properties for a standard, and particularly a primer.
	 
	Tony Rogers
	
	tony.rogers@ca.com <blocked::mailto:tony.rogers@ca.com> 
	 

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	From: www-ws-desc-request@w3.org
[mailto:www-ws-desc-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Liu, Kevin
	Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2005 9:10
	To: Jonathan Marsh; Hugo Haas
	Cc: www-ws-desc@w3.org
	Subject: Proposal for LC303 (was: What are the exemptions for
use of IRI? )
	
	
	If that's the case, I propose to add the following paragraph to
the end of section 1.3 "Notational Conventions"

		The core specification of WSDL 2.0 supports
Internationalized Resource Identifiers or IRIs [add reference to
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987 <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987>
<http://www.w3.org/International/articles/idn-and-iri/> ].  IRIs are a
superset of URIs with added support for internationalization. The URI
syntax [add reference to http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986
<http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986> ] only allows the use of  a small set
of characters, including upper and lower case letters of the English
alphabet, European numerals and a few symbols. IRIs  allow the use of
characters from a wider range of language scripts.  
		 
		For simplification, examples throughout this primer only
use URIs.  If you are interested in the use of IRIs, you might want to
read the paper [add reference to
http://www.w3.org/International/articles/idn-and-iri/
<http://www.w3.org/International/articles/idn-and-iri/> ] prepared by
the W3C Internationalization Activity [add link to
http://www.w3.org/International/ <http://www.w3.org/International/> ]. 
		 

	Alternatively, If people are concerned that use of IRI is not
really a "notational convention", we may add a subsection under
"Introduction" for "Use of URI and IRI" with the same content as above.
The new structure of section 1 now looks like
	1. Introduction
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#Introduction> 
	    1.1 Prerequisites
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#Prerequisites> 
	    1.2 Structure of this Primer
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#PrimerStructure> 
	    1.3 Use of URI and IRI
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#notation> 
	    1.4 Notational Conventions
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#notation> 
	 2. WSDL 2.0 Basics
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#basics> 
	...
	 

	Best Regards,
	Kevin
	  

	 
	
	

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		From: Jonathan Marsh [mailto:jmarsh@microsoft.com] 
		Sent: Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 7:50 AM
		To: Liu, Kevin; Hugo Haas
		Cc: www-ws-desc@w3.org
		Subject: RE: What are the exemptions for use of IRI?
		
		

		IIRC, the WG was not prepared to do a global search and
replace of URI for IRI in the primer, as URIs are a familiar concept and
in almost all cases in the Primer the term is good enough.  Having one
statement pointing out that our use of URI instead of IRI is a
simplification should be sufficient.  We can confirm this on this week's
call if I've misrepresented the WG's decision.

		 

		
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		From: Liu, Kevin [mailto:kevin.liu@sap.com] 
		Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 5:25 PM
		To: Hugo Haas; Jonathan Marsh
		Cc: www-ws-desc@w3.org
		Subject: What are the exemptions for use of IRI?

		 

		Hi Hugo, Hi Jonathan,

		 

		While working on proposing changes to the primer to
implement your suggestions in LC303 [1], I realize that we may also need
to do a global search in the Primer to replace the term URI with IRI to
be consistent with the core spec, in addition to adding a brief
introduction to IRI as you suggested.

		 

		However, I  notice that the resolution of LC74a [2] ,
which caused the URI to IRI changes in Part 1 and 2,  contains a few
exemptions. The resolution of LC74a says <quote>Change URI to IRI
throughout except URI attr and prop on featiures and properties and SOAP
module, which becomes "ref"; exempt appendix E where we talk about
namespace URIs, and section 4.11.2 in adjunct spec.</quote>.  

		 

		It's not clear to me what the last two exemptions really
are since section "Appendix E" and "section 4.11.2 in adjunct specs" are
completely changed/removed in the current version of the spec. In
particular,

			*	If I recall it right, the former Part 1
appendix E is now part of the Primer section 5.6 [3] which talks about
namespace URIs.   Does the exemption for "Appendix E" in LC74a mean that
namespace URI should not be changed to IRI? if so, why? 
			*	I have no idea what the "adjunct section
4.11.2" was, do you know what  the exemption for "section 4.11.2" is? 

		[1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/lc-issues/#LC303

		[2]
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/issues.html#LC74a
		[3]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-primer-20050803/#adv-notes-on-uris

		Best Regards,
		Kevin
		  

		 

			 

			
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