W3C

Web Services Description Teleconference
11 Mar 2004

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
 David Booth            W3C
 Allen Brookes          Rogue Wave Software
 Roberto Chinnici       Sun Microsystems
 Paul Downey            British Telecommunications
 Tom Jordahl            Macromedia
 Jacek Kopecky          Systinet
 Amelia Lewis           TIBCO
 Kevin Canyang Liu      SAP
 Jonathan Marsh         Chair (Microsoft)
 Dale Moberg            Cyclone Commerce
 Jean-Jacques Moreau    Canon
 David Orchard          BEA Systems
 Arthur Ryman           IBM
 Adi Sakala             IONA Technologies
 William Vambenepe      Hewlett-Packard
 Asir Vedamuthu         webMethods
 Sanjiva Weerawarana    IBM
 Prasad Yendluri        webMethods, Inc.
Regrets
 Erik Ackerman          Lexmark
 Glen Daniels           Sonic Software
 Youenn Fablet          Canon
 Hugo Haas              W3C
 Ingo Melzer            DaimlerChrysler
 Jerry Thrasher         Lexmark
Chair
Jonathan Marsh
Scribe
dmoberg

Contents


<Scribe> Minutes accepted

<dbooth> Error in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0243.html

<Scribe> almost, except some misattributions of David Orchard to David Booth

<dbooth> Error in:

<dbooth> [[

<dbooth> Poll: Shall we remove the text pasted above, beginning "The

<dbooth> extension

<dbooth> specification" from Section 3.2

<dbooth> Yes: David Booth, Glen, Jacek

<dbooth> No: Gudge, Yaron, Amy, Bijan, Arthur, Jerry, Asir, Sanjiva

<dbooth> Abstain: Paul, Youenn, Umit

<dbooth> ]]

<dbooth> That should have been David Orchard, not David Booth.

Action item review

<Scribe> Sanjiva will send email next week on status.

JM: Send tests to mailing list and standard rules govern contribution, to be confirmed.

New York meeting update.

JM: Start at 8 AM Thurs and Fri.

<Scribe> ACTION: Sanjiva fills in data on logistics page.

<Scribe> Meeting in UK, Move to August?

<Scribe> or last week of July

<pdowney> should know soon, march is end of financial year here ..

Charter renewal

<Scribe> Note on privacy needs to be review, Hugo.

<Scribe> Dietmar and Mike Champion left group.

New issues

<Marsh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0242.html

<Scribe> Request for clarification on Endpoints, qname.

<Scribe> Sanjiva claims there is an explanation already

<Scribe> Unique name within a service "namespace"

<Scribe> Endpoint and Operation names to be similarly treated, marked as editorial

<dbooth> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20.html?rev=1.27&content-type=text/html;%20charset=iso-8859-1#InterfaceOperation

<Scribe> Consider section 2.4.1

<dbooth> [[

<dbooth> That is, this specification does not preclude one from having two distinct Interface Operation components which have the same {name} and {target namespace} properties, as long as they are in different Interface components (with the same {target namespace} property).

<dbooth> ]]

<Scribe> ACTION: editorial clarify 2.4.1 on why no global qname reference

<sanjiva> The above action is to clarify that even though we identify operations & endpoints and other stuff by QName, they are not referencible by QName because those QNames are only unique within that component (within the interface or within the service).

<dbooth> ACTION: Editors to clarify 2.4.1 on why no global qname reference

<Scribe> Issue 115 for Umit postponed

<Scribe> ACTION: JMarsh finds part of spec impacted by 115 andn send mail out to group

<Marsh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Mar/0059.html

<Scribe> Arthur endorses having XML syntax in text and in examples (Tom J will probably like also)

<Scribe> Jacek proposes a text section rather than appendix (?)

<Scribe> Tom favors reorg to improve readability

<Scribe> Sanjiava acks that infoset speak an acquired taste

<Scribe> schema bashing remarks omitted

<Scribe> Amy defends infoset speak and does not see advantage to email proposal on appendix (I think)

<Scribe> Roberto urges dropping EII AII and focus on component model speak

<Scribe> But urges conserving current format at the end of day

<Scribe> David Orchard thinks stylistic compromise good but concedes difficulty in reaching it

<Scribe> Tom J urges beefing up readable XSLT syntax sections but leave component stuff in place

<Scribe> Tom J notes that spec readability continues to improve

<Scribe> Format conventions might help say J Marsh

<Scribe> Arthur concedes formality but suggests something like style sheets to shift view

<Scribe> Or icons to collapse or expand, Marsh

<Scribe> DavidB says style to support selective style read would be interesting

<Scribe> Asir asks about how this tinkering would impact schedule

<Scribe> JMarsh says editorial and not new issues

<Scribe> Amy unvolunteers for style sheet production

<Scribe> Amy as implementer found precision useful.

<alewis> WSDL 1.1 contains examples, text, and a schema, which are not actually consistent with one another in several places.

<alewis> (to the extent of variant names for attributes and ambiguity in cardinality of elements and attributes)

<Scribe> Poll 1 is whether to refactor by moving text around from 2.x. and ? to another section

<Scribe> or appendix.

<Scribe> Yes 3, No 11, some abstains

<Scribe> No objections to recording consensus as proposal to refactor/move rejected

<Scribe> Poll 2 is to take the effort to experiment with a stylistic option.

<Scribe> No 0, Yes 5, Abstains numerous

<dbooth> +1 to Amy's suggestion

<Scribe> An adhoc group forms to explore J Marsh, D Booth, D Orchard

<Scribe> ACTION: adhoc group forms to explore stylistic rendering plan J Marsh D Booth D Orchard

Issue 151: attribute name consistency

<Marsh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Mar/0067.html

Sanjiva: when declaring, use "name" & when referring use "ref". Two changes endorsed

<Scribe> Kevin notes two areas to correct, one was ncname where qname should occur (section ?)

<sanjiva> See http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20.html#Syntax-Summary for the current overall XML syntax

<sanjiva> (I like XML angle bracket syntax too .. :-))

<Scribe> Scribe interrupted locally and missed a bit on the second problem Kevin noted on qname not useful when refereingcing

<Scribe> Tom wonders whether name/ref change is all that helpful

<Scribe> Tom has his wonder resolved.

<Scribe> ACTION: close issue 151 with name to ref changes as found in email 67

<Scribe> ACTION: change label to messagelabel as proposed by Sanjiva

<Scribe> Approve the change to add a Property for Value as proposed by Sanjiva

<sanjiva> Kevin: I just corrected the bug in the binding fault component (should be QName). Thanks for pointing it out.

<sanjiva> ACTION: editors to add a {value} property to the Property component

<Scribe> Two issues: message with empty body? unconstrained content?

<Scribe> Proposal #any or #empty to allowable values in the @element attribute in addition to qnames for GED.

<pdowney> likes the propsal, but reminds the WG '£' is a 'pound' and '#' is a 'hash' or 'number sign' :)

<Scribe> Roberto requests remarks on component model changes that this proposal introduces

<Scribe> ACTION: JMarsh to provide remarks as requested by Roberto on the proposal for empty body/ arbitrary content cases

<Scribe> ACTION: Jacek takes an action that was missed by scribe in closing flurry

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: adhoc group forms to explore stylistic rendering plan J Marsh
  D Booth D Orchard
[NEW] ACTION: change label to messagelabel as proposed by Sanjiva
[NEW] ACTION: close issue 151 with name to ref changes as found in email 67
[NEW] ACTION: editorial clarify 2.4.1 on why no global qname reference
[NEW] ACTION: editors to add a {value} property to the Property component
[NEW] ACTION: Editors to clarify 2.4.1 on why no global qname reference
[NEW] ACTION: Jacek takes an action that was missed by scribe in closing
  flurry
[NEW] ACTION: JMarsh finds part of spec impacted by 115 andn send mail out
  to group
[NEW] ACTION: JMarsh to provide remarks as requested by Roberto on the
  proposal for empty body/ arbitrary content cases
[NEW] ACTION: Sanjiva fills in data on logistics page.
 

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