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Agenda, 30 October 2003 WS Desc telcon

From: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:40:57 -0800
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0.  Dial in information (members only) [.1]:

See the public WG page [.2] for pointers to current documents and other
information, and the private page [.3] for administrative matters.

If you have additions to the agenda, please email them to the WG list
before the start of the telcon.

[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2003Oct/0033.html
[.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/
[.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/admin

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Agenda

1.  Assign scribe.  Lucky minute taker for this week is:
      Sandeep Kumar, (fallbacks: Kevin Liu, Erik Ackerman, 
      Igor Sedukhin, Ingo Melzer, Steve Lind)

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2.  Approval of minutes:
  - Oct 23rd telcon [.1].

[.1]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/att-0221/031023-
ws-desc-irc.htm

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3.  Review of Action items [.1].
?         2003-07-31: Philippe to make a proposal for fixing the 
                      HTTP binding.
?         2003-09-11: Philippe to write a response to Mark Baker
                      proposing a property solution to HTTP verbs 
                      and ask whether this satisfies his request.
?         2003-09-18: Marsh to review the QA operational
                      guidelines.
?         2003-09-23: Roberto, Glen: provide a counterproposal to 
                      the current proposal for endpoint references.
DONE (no) 2003-10-09: JMarsh to consider adding JeffSch's suggestion 
                      to revisit naming questions later, after 
                      subtantive work is done, to future agenda.
?         2003-10-09: Bijan to look into message extensibility 
                      Issues (Appendix E, Jacek's review) wrt RDF data, 
                      and discuss with Jacek.
?         2003-10-09: Sanjiva: send email explaining rational for 
                      pattern inference.
?         2003-10-16: Amy to provide a use-case for cyclical includes. 
DONE [.2] 2003-10-23: JM to communicate this decision to XMLP 
?         2003-10-23: JacekK to reformulate the return value RPC rule 
                      not to be broken wrt null values 
DONE [.3] 2003-10-23: Glen to send out expanded explanation of Features 
                      and Properties 
?         2003-10-23: Part2_Editors to clarify wording in 
                      fault-replaces-message rule that a fault is 
                      GENERATED but not necessarily SENT. 
DONE      2003-10-23: Communicate MTOM requiremnet to JeffSch

[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2003Oct/0060.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0144.html

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4.  Administrivia
  a. Membership changes:
     - Sandra Swearingen resignation
     - Lily Liu did non-resignation
  b. Upcoming FTFs
     - November 3-5, Sunnyvale [.1] (Fujitsu)
       Draft agenda [.2]
       * Add http binding topic? [.3]
     - January 26-30, Bedford, MA (Sonic)
       WSArch 26-28(noon)
       WSDesc 28(noon)-30
     - March 1-2 or 4-5, Cannes-Mandelieu, France.
  b. Publication
     - Draft ready for approval at FTF?

[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/3/05/f2fNovLogistics.htm
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0243.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0230.html

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5.  Task Force Status.
 a. Properties and Features (dormant)
 b. Patterns (dormant)
 c. Attributes
 d. QA & Testing
  - Response to comments on QA Spec Guidelines [.2]
  - Implement QA Operational guidelines? [.3]

[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0023.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0074.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2003Sep/0023.html

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6.  New Issues.  Merged issues list [.1].
  - Limit to state (Mark Baker) [.2]
  - <infault>/<outfault> vs. <fault>. [.3]

[.1] http://tinyurl.com/mwuy
     (Note that [.1] redirects to
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.html)
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0150.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0177.html

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7.  Issue #88 [.1] Rename "operation" to "messageExchange" (again!?).
    Deferred while thread is running [.2]

[.1] http://tinyurl.com/mwuy#x88
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0024.html

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8.  Optional interface/operation/(input|output)/@messageReference
    That doesn't make any sense with what we have now. 
    Proposal: Mark REQUIRED.

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9.  RPC-style rules
  - Missing rules [.1]
  - Syncing rules with SOAP 1.2 RPC [.2]
  - Clearer statement of normativity [.3, .4]
  - [chair is behind in following this thread]

[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0058.html 
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0059.html 
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0057.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0062.html

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10. Faults.
  - Fault refs pointing to more than one message [.1]
    Waiting for a use case to motivate this requirement.
  - Proposal for faults [.2]; revised proposal [.3]
    Is this proposal still on the table?

[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0213.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0250.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0051.html

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11. Drop @headers
  - Proposal from Sanjiva [.1]
  - Related questions from Youenn [.2]
  - Request from JJM to delay one week.

[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0107.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0033.html

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12. Multiple inline schemas [.1]

[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0074.html

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13. Uniqueness on the wire
   - Proposal from Umit [.1]

[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0112.html

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[Remaining items awaiting actions or proposals.]
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15. Appendix E cleanup [.1]

[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0136.html

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16. Endpoint references
    - Proposal from Arthur/Umit [.1]
    - Awaiting simplified proposal from Roberto/Glen
    - Motivation for R131 from DaveO [.2]
[.1]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Sep/att-0071/ws-ref-
present-1.0.zip
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0181.html

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17. Pattern inference [.1]
    (optional @pattern, optional @messageReference):
  - Tabled decision on optional @pattern to future telcon.
  - Tabled decision on optional @messageReference to a future telcon.
  - Sanjiva proposes dropping redundant {direction} property from 
      the component model [.2]
  - messageReference attribute is optional (inconsistent) [.3]

[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0172.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0210.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0127.html

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18. Optional operation/@name [.1]
    Tabled decision to a future telcon. 

[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0178.html

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19. Issue 2: SOAPAction has been deprecated, as of SOAP 1.2 [.1].
  - Arthur's proposal to unify property URIs and QName URIs. [.2]
    Alternatives include using property markup, or a QNamed 
    attribute.  Awaiting more guidance text on properties and 
    features from Glen.
  - Proposal for advertising QoS features of a Web service in WSDL [.3].
    Awaiting analysis by Jonathan.

[.1] http://tinyurl.com/mwuy#x2
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0047.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0020.html

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20. Issue 64 [.1] Operations an HTTP verbs (Mark Baker) [.2, .3, .4]
  - Jacek's synthesis [.5].
  - Awaiting description from Philippe showing how properties or
    extensions can be used to annotate the WSDL with RESTful 
    properties.  Ask Mark for a definitive list of those properties 
    so we can consider how to associate them with property URIs or 
    namespaces.

[.1] http://tinyurl.com/mwuy#x64
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0094.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0103.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0111.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0095.html

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21. Using RDF in WSDL [.1].
    Dependent upon RDF mapping first draft.

[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0076.html
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