- From: Liu, Kevin <kevin.liu@sap.com>
- Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:55:31 +0200
- To: "'Stumbo, William K'" <WStumbo@crt.xerox.com>, www-ws-desc@w3.org
- Cc: jmarsh@microsoft.com
Hi Bill, Hi Jonathan, two minor corrections: 8. BindingType proposal from Kevin [12]. > Response from Jacek [13]. > > 2002-09-19: Jeffery raised some concerns: It's Jacek who raised the concerns, not Jeffery > - data model for binding is inconsistent with > other models. This is not a concern, instead it's brought up as a reason for changing the current construct Regards, Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Stumbo, William K [mailto:WStumbo@crt.xerox.com] > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:15 AM > To: www-ws-desc@w3.org > Cc: jmarsh@microsoft.com; Stumbo, William K > Subject: Minutes: 19 Sept 2002 WS Description WG > > > > Web Services Description Working Group > September 19, 2002 > > Attendance > > Present: > Mike Ballantyne Electronic Data Systems > David Booth W3C > Allen Brookes Rogue Wave Software > Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems > Glen Daniels Macromedia > Youenn Fablet Canon > Tom Jordahl Macromedia > Jacek Kopecky Systinet > Sandeep Kumar Cisco Systems > Philippe Le Hégaret W3C > Amelia Lewis TIBCO > Kevin Canyang Liu SAP > Jonathan Marsh Chair (Microsoft) > Jeff Mischkinsky Oracle > Dale Moberg Cyclone Commerce > Jean-Jacques Moreau Canon > Arthur Ryman IBM > Waqar Sadiq Electronic Data Systems > Adi Sakala IONA Technologies > Jeffrey Schlimmer Microsoft > Igor Sedukhin Computer Associates > William Stumbo Xerox > Jerry Thrasher Lexmark > William Vambenepe Hewlett-Packard > Sanjiva Weerawarana IBM > Don Wright Lexmark > Joyce Yang Oracle > > Regrets: > Michael Champion Software AG > Laurent De Teneuille L'Echangeur > Tim Finin University of Maryland > Dietmar Gaertner Software AG > Steve Graham Global Grid Forum > Martin Gudgin Microsoft > Dan Kulp IONA > Steve Lind AT&T > Michael Mealling Verisign > Stefano Pogliani Sun > Daniel Schutzer Citigroup > Dave Solo Citigroup > Steve Tuecke Global Grid Forum > Barbara Zengler DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology > Prasad Yendluri webMethods, Inc. > > Absent: > Mike Davoren W. W. Grainger > Michael Mahan Nokia > Pallavi Malu Intel > Mike McHugh W. W. Grainger > Don Mullen Tibco > Johan Pauhlsson L'Echangeur > Sandra Swearingen U.S. Department of Defense, U.S. Air Force > > > > 1. Assign scribe. Lucky minute taker for this week is: > Bill Stumbo (yee haw!) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 2. Approval of minutes: > - Sept 5 telcon [3] > Approved. > > - Sept 9-11 FTF [4] > Approved. > > Minor concern about misquotes in IRC log. Discussion on minutes > vs. transcription. General concern with identifying key points. > Suggestion to use section headings to help group topics. > > AI -- all: Send any missing action items to Jonathan's attention. > > > [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Sep/0023.html > [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Sep/0065.html > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 3. Review of Action items. > DONE 2002-07-21: GlenD to send DavidB details on hosting November > F2F > 2002-09-19: URL posted to IRC. [25] > Glen states to expect additional updates > [25] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/04/f2fNovLogistics.html > > RETIRED 2002-07-21: Jeffrey & Gudge to flesh out a proposal for > omitting operation from soap binding. > > 2002-09-19: Part of the hoisting > proposal. Need to > verify > completeness in upcoming draft. > > CONTINUE 2002-07-21: Don Mullen to write up > an issue on making the transport attribute > match the SOAP binding framework. > > 2002-09-19: Action item reworded. > > DONE [5] 2002-09-05: Deitmar to extract remaining > questions/issues from > [6] and sent out in a new email thread > to be opened > as a new issue(s). > > > Face to face actions follow: > > PENDING 2002-09-09: Sanjiva to redo part 3.2 of his binding proposal. > > PENDING 2002-09-09: Gudge to check whether there is already an issue > against Part 2: can you define different > encodingStyles for different children of > soap:Body (message parts). > > PENDING 2002-09-10: Steve and Gudge to write up the portType > extensibility > proposal. > > 2002-09-19: Action item reworded. > > PENDING 2002-09-10: Sanjiva to produce a proposal for equivalence of > (at least) top-level components in the > next couple > of weeks. > > PENDING 2002-09-10: Gudge; Jeffrey Schlimmer; Roberto et al to write > proposal > to remove message and replace with complexType. > > 2002-09-19: Action item wording agreed to. > > Roberto stated the goal is to determine > what it would > look > like if we use XML Schema constructs > instead of message > constructs. > > DONE [7] 2002-09-10: Arthur to kick off thread on @element vs. @type, > perhaps by showing how to convert an existing > @element into @type. > > DONE [8] 2002-09-10: Arthur to write up direction and rationale to > drop @use=encoded and post to wsdl wg > public list. > > PENDING 2002-09-10: Gudge to provide summary of using xml schema to > wrap other type systems at an appropriate level > of abstraction. > > PENDING 2002-09-11: Sanjiva to describe out/out-in for pub-sub. [I > think this should be pub-sub _without_ > out/out-in.] > > 2002-09019: Form a task force (Joyce, > Sandeep, Igor, > Steve T, Sanjiva, Adi, Roberto, Amy) to prepare > presentation > about adding pub/sub as a first class > citizen of WSDL > 1.2. > > Sanjiva will send a note to the list describing a > starting > position and seeking comment. > > PENDING 2002-09-11: Jeffrey and Don define TCP binding. > > New Actions as of 2002-09-19: > > 2002-09-19: Sanjiva will write a Java binding > > 2002-09-19: Sanjiva provide updates on Use Scenarios > document to > Architecture Group. > Need to determine whether this activity > should be in > the > architecture group or moved outside. > > [5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Sep/0019.html > [6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2002Jul/0016.html > [7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Sep/0055.html > [8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Sep/0054.html > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 4. FTF planning: > > Nov F2F: > > 2002-09-19: No joint meeting time scheduled with the Architecture > group at present. Can schedule if needed. Rooms > available for 3 days of solid meeting. > > Meetings will be planned from Monday AM through > Wednesday PM. > > Jan FTF. > > 2002-09-19: Sri Lanka or Sydney? About 25 people stated they could > attend in Sydney. 3 people stated they could not travel. > Jonathan will poll working group to ensure that Sydney > will work. Host Art Hague, not member of working group. > > Alternatives if Sri Lanka or Sydney do not work out: > Vancouver, BC [Dave Orchard] > Toronto, ON [Arthur Ryman] > New York, NY [Sanjiva Weerawarana] > > Plan would be to meet week of January 14 or 21. Need firm > offers by next week (2002-09-19) > > Tech plenary March 3-7 in Boston, we could meet 3-4 or 6-7. > > 2002-09-19: Do we want a meeting in conjunction with Tech Plenary? > General consensus is yes, some concern with only 2 days > of meeting and conflicts with other working groups. > > Plan is to go forward with planning WG F2F at > Tech Plenary. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 5. Arch harvesting of WSDL [9]. Need reviewers. > > 2002-09-19: Arch group is attempting to harvest some of our work. > Who can take a look and see if they are taking good stuff > from them. > > Jean-Jacques -- document looks reasonable. > > Pending: Review next week. Would like input from more > individuals. > > [9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2002Jul/0349.html > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 6. Requirements [10] > Need to finish up and publish again. > > 2002-09-19: Table for one week. Need information from Gudge on > Semantic Web requirement. > > Action: Review document for 9/26/02 meeting. > > [10] > http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/requirements/ ws-desc-reqs.h > tml#binddesc > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 7. New Issues > WSDL and INLINE Schema Definitions [11] > > 2002-09-19: Gudge had indicated new issues to be added. > > Enumeration of potential issues: > - Disallow importing of schemas except via > - No predefined types of elements added to an > embedded schema > - Schema embedded in WSDL must have target > namespace. Cannot > define > names in the undeclared namespace. > > Follow-up left to the editors. > > [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Sep/0025.html > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 8. BindingType proposal from Kevin [12]. > Response from Jacek [13]. > > 2002-09-19: Jeffery raised some concerns: > - new user/novice user will find it hard to understand > where information should go. Can be addressed > by adding > a new attribute > - data model for binding is inconsistent with > other models. > - should we consider this with Sanjiva's proposal? > - can we break this down into small issues that can be > considered > separately? > > Jacek -- concerns were summarized well. > Reusable binding is > aim. > This idea is probably 2.0 material and not 1.2. > > Roberto -- Clarifying question: The use of term > binding type > is confusing. Port and port type have a clear > relationship. > This proposal doesn't have a clear mapping. > Binding & Binding > type. Kevin agrees that a better name would be useful. > > Is the group interested in continuing to pursue > this action? > > Straw Poll says we should continue to pursue. > Continue: 13 > Stop: 1 > Abstain: 11 > > Kevin asks that anyone with particular issues or > concerns let > him know so he can attempt to address them. > > Revisit next week. > > [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Aug/0009.html > [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Sep/0043.html > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 9. Issue 2: SOAPAction has been deprecated, as of SOAP 1.2 [14]. > Jean-Jacques proposal at [15]. Jacek's addendum at [16]. > > 2002-09-19: Jean-Jacques summary: WG wanted something better then > SOAPAction. > Want a more general method in WSDL. Introduce new > element <http:field> to the HTTP binding. Also, > introduce an > equivalent <soap:field> element to the SOAP binding. > > Jacek -- proposed name change as well as noted that some > transports do not need to have MIME fields, and most MIME > fields will not have parameters. Current proposal leaves > to much room for inconsistencies. > > Glen -- this relates to a proposal on properties > [24], there > is a general pattern we should consider. > > Jonathan -- group needs to review the property > stuff in more > detail. > > SOAP Action can turn into a property. > > Do we need to make a late comment to the XML > Protocol group? > > ACTION: Glen will look and see status of SOAP > Actions. Draft > potential last call comment to XML Protocols Group. > > [14] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x2 > [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Sep/0050.html > [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Sep/0056.html > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 10. Issue 18: Default for transport of <soap:binding> [17]. Jeffrey's > proposal at [18]. > > 2002-09-19: This item was closed at 2002-09-05 teleconference: > Resolution (per 2002-09-05 minutes): > Issue 18 to be closed per [18] to make the transport > attribute > mandatory for the <soap:binding> element. > > Issue 28 still open and may be discussed at > F2F if time > permits. > > > [17] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x18 > [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0122.html > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 11. Issue 28: transport='uri' [19] > > 2002-09-19: Defer until after Glen's proposal. > > [19] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x28 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 12. HTTP Binding Issues (6a, 41) > Jeffrey recommends no change [20]. > Sanjiva is mulling this over [21]. > > 2002-09-19: Waiting on Sanjiva -- need to introduce HTTP header > and / or cookie as part of binding. Differ > until after > Glen's proposal. > > Should this issue be broadened to say support of all > features of the transport. Again, Glen's > proposal will > spur this conversation along. > > [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0102.html > [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0067.html > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 13. Issue 25: Interaction between W3C XML Schema and SOAP Data Model > Gudge's explains at [22], Roberto's options at [23]. > Waiting for more detail in ACM? > > 2002-09-19: Waiting for Gudge to provide more detail/wisdom > on abstract component model. > > [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0186.html > [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0071.html > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 14. A slice at a proposal for SOAP features/properties in WSDL [24]. > Glen Daniels > > 2002-09-19: Move up on agenda for next week, key to a lot of the > binding work. > > Read proposal for next week. > > [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Sep/0004.html > > Respectfully submitted, > > Bill Stumbo > Xerox Innovation Group > Solutions & Services Technology Center > > wstumbo@crt.xerox.com > Phone: 585.422.0616 > Fax: 585.265.8424 >
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