Web Services Description Working Group 2002-02-14 meeting minutes [1]Working Group home page · [2]Meeting records · [3]IRC log [1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/ [2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#records [3] http://www.w3.org/2002/02/14-ws-desc-irc This is the complete version, possibly with confidential material, of the minutes. Attendance Participants (30): * Keith Ballinger, Microsoft Corporation * Mike Ballantyne, Electronic Data Systems * David Booth, W3C * Roberto Chinnici, Sun Microsystems * Mike Davoren, W. W. Grainger * Youenn Fablet, Canon * Dietmar Gaertner, Software AG * Mario Jeckle, DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology * Tom Jordahl, Macromedia * Jacek Kopecky, Systinet * Alan Kotok, DISA * Sandeep Kumar, Cisco Systems * Philippe Le Hégaret, W3C * Kevin Canyang Liu, SAP * Jonathan Marsh, Microsoft Corporation Chair * Mike McHugh, W. W. Grainger * Jeff Mischkinsky, Oracle Corporation * Dale Moberg, Cyclone Commerce * Waqar Sadiq, Electronic Data Systems * Rich Salz, Zolera Systems * Krishna Sankar, Cisco Systems * Jeffrey Schlimmer, Microsoft Corporation * Igor Sedukhin, Computer Associates * Aaron Skonnard, DevelopMentor * Sandra Swearingen, U.S. Department of Defense, U.S. Air Force * William Vambenepe, Hewlett-Packard Company * Sanjiva Weerawarana, IBM Corporation * Don Wright, Lexmark * Prasad Yendluri, webMethods, Inc. * Glen Daniels, Macromedia Regrets: * Jean-Jacques Moreau, Canon Absents: * Michael Champion, Software AG * Tim Finin, University of Maryland * Martin Gudgin, DevelopMentor * Pallavi Malu, Intel Corporation * Jochen Ruetschlin, DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology * Dave Solo, Citigroup * Daniel Schutzer, Citigroup * Jerry Thrasher, Lexmark Observers: * Abinarayana Sakala, IONA [4]Agenda [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2002Feb/0025.html * [5]Approval of Minutes * [6]Encouragement to use IRC * [7]Face-to-Face Meeting Details * [8]Editor Appointments * [9]Issues List * [10]WS-I.ORG Launched * [11]Requirements List and User Scenarios [5] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/minutes [6] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/irc [7] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/f2f [8] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/editors [9] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/issues [10] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/wsi [11] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/requirements Review of outstanding action items * DONE:2002-02-07. Jeffrey&Jean-Jacques: to extract requirements from WSDL 1.1 asap. Agenda items Approval of Minutes Scribe today: David Booth (because Mike Ballantyne does not yet have his IRC working, and Keith Ballinger came on to the call late). Resolution: Last week's minutes approved without comment. Encouragement to use IRC Participants are encouraged to use IRC during the teleconference calls, (see [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2002Feb/0012.html ), as IRC speeds up the roll call, straw polls, and other tasks; and helps us to make more accurate notes. [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2002Feb/0012.html Face-to-Face Meeting Details It looks like co-locating with the WS-Architecture Working Group will be best. Resolution: We will meet the afternoons of April 10, 11 and 12 in San Jose. Krishna Sankar, Cisco Systems will be hosting. Discussion of whether to take August off, because many people will be away for vacations. Resolution: We will take the month of August off, for vacations. No conference calls during August. ACTION: Jonathan Marsh will map the Face-to-Face meetings 6 months in advance. Due date: Unspecified. Editor Appointments Jonathan announced the following editor appointments, and thanked the volunteers: Document Editors Requirements document Jeffrey Schlimmer Usage scenarios Waqar Sadiq Web Services description language specification Sanjiva Weerawarana (lead), Jeffrey Schlimmer, Jean-Jacques Moreau, Martin Gudgin, Roberto Chinnici Binding descriptions Jean-Jacques Moreau (lead), Martin Gudgin RDF mapping Martin Gudgin (lead), Krishna Sankar, (someone from RDF?) Primer Alan Kotok (lead), Krishna Sankar, Kevin Liu Test suite TBD No disagreements were voiced. Issues List Jonathan noted that Kevin submitted an [13]issues list, and Keith contributed [14]some also. Jonathan noted that the public area should reference the issues list, and requested the people continue to submit issues that you have with WSDL 1.1. [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Feb/0023.html [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Feb/0024.html WS-I.ORG Launched Jonathan mentioned that Janet Daly of sent us [15]email containing some W3C thoughts on WS-I. Jonathan noted that many organizations are a part of both W3C and WS-I, and that WS-I seems to be oriented toward comprehensive multi-specification testing. There were no comments, and we moved on the next item. [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2002Feb/0022.html Requirements List and User Scenarios Jonathan suggested that we allow a grace period of 1 or 2 weeks to collect requirements unedited. After that, we will subject new requirements to greater scrutiny. There was discussion of whether to initially allow or disallow requirements that are not in WSDL 1.1. The general consensus was to allow them to be placed on the list (if only to document their disposition), but assign priorities/dispositions using the terms "must", "should", "may" and "out of scope", as defined in [16]rfc2119. [16] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt ACTION: Jeffrey Schlimmer will assign initial priorities/dispositions to the requirements, and we will then discuss them later. Due date: unspecified. Prasad asked: Are we expecting requirements from the Web Services Architecture working group, and should we wait to incorporate those requirements? Philippe answered: We are not supposed to wait for requirements from the architecture group. They may take 3-4mos. Requirements from that group will go into WSDL 2.0. Jonathan also noted that we may get comments when we publish drafts also. Prasad asked: Could the working group agree on acceptance criteria for requirements? Jonathan suggested that this may take as long as agreeing on the requirements themselves. Others agreed, and Prasad withdrew the motion. Waqar requested that the group send user scenarios. People suggested that we could talk about web services that would be deployed, and that we may be able to lift some from the XML Protocol WG. Don suggested that usage scenarios would be helpful in refining requirements. Others agreed that user scenarios would be very helpful in refining the requirements. ACTION: Waqar will jumpstart the creation of user scenarios. Due date: Unspecified. Jonathan: Ok, we'll accept unedited requirements until next Tuesday, and then we'll get more stringent. ACTION: Jeffrey will create a specific list of requirements for discussion next week (the top 5 or 10 or whatever he thinks is appropriate). Due date: Next teleconference (Feb. 21, 2002). Summary of new action items * 2002.02.14. Jonathan Marsh will map the Face-to-Face meetings 6 months in advance. Due date: Unspecified. * 2002.02.14. Jeffrey Schlimmer will assign initial priorities/dispositions to the requirements, and we will then discuss them later. Due date: unspecified. * 2002.02.14. Waqar will jumpstart the creation of user scenarios. Due date: Unspecified. * 2002.02.14. Jeffrey will create a specific list of requirements for discussion next week (the top 5 or 10 or whatever he thinks is appropriate). Due date: Next teleconference (Feb. 21, 2002). _________________________________________________________________ Scribe: David Booth