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RE: isa and hasa in UML

From: Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler) <RogerCutler@chevrontexaco.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:39:50 -0500
Message-ID: <7FCB5A9F010AAE419A79A54B44F3718E026EF775@bocnte2k3.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
To: "Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, "Francis McCabe" <fgm@fla.fujitsu.com>, www-ws-arch@w3.org

There are concise definitions of is-a and has-a in the "old" doc.  If
you don't like them, it seems to me that you should come up with a
better alternative.  Failing that, I suggest that we continue with what
we have.

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:34 PM
To: Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler); Francis McCabe; www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: RE: isa and hasa in UML


and how is is-a and has-a as defined in our doc any less or more
powerful than uml. its all about set theory and if you choose to model
bad sets thats up to you.

Martin.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-ws-arch-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-arch-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler)
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:43 AM
> To: Francis McCabe; www-ws-arch@w3.org
> Subject: RE: isa and hasa in UML
>
>
>
> This is REALLY discouraging.  I thought that the UML experts in the 
> room at Rennes were saying that "everybody knows" what has-a means in 
> UML, and all you have to do is strip it out of your favorite 
> undergraduate textbook.
>
> I have a strong feeling of distaste for ditching the definition of 
> "has-a" currently in the document, which at least has the virtue that 
> I can understand and apply it, in favor of a definition that appears 
> to be like the Indian rope trick -- something that everybody knows 
> exists because somebody else has seen it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francis McCabe [mailto:fgm@fla.fujitsu.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:01 PM
> To: www-ws-arch@w3.org
> Subject: isa and hasa in UML
>
>
>
> This is in partial fulfillment of my action item re is-a and has-a 
> w.r.t. UML
>
> 0. There is a rather (unintentionally) funny comment in the UML 2.0
> spec:
>
> 2.3.2.3 Semantics
>    The meanings of the constructs are defined using natural language. 
> ...
>
> (This is after a lot of promises of being formal.)
>
>    However, UML uses OCL for those cases where natural language is not

> enough. OCL is similar to a first order predicate calculus. Having 
> said that, the spec does not use OCL very often; including for the 
> definition of relationships such as generalization (is-a) and 
> association (has-a kind of)
>
> 1. As I have indicated earlier, UML does not have a precise notion of 
> is-a. The closest is the generalization relationship. This is defined 
> in 3.50:
>
> Generalization is the taxonomic relationship between a more general 
> element and a more specific element that is fully consistent and that 
> adds additional information.
>
> A couple of comments:
>
> 1. Basing is-a on taxonomics raises some serious logical issues. This 
> is analogous to basing everything on sets: every member of the penguin

> set is also a member of the bird set.
>
> The problem is that it becomes really difficult to talk about weird or

> abstract sets. Basing is-a on this would lead to the following 
> counter-intuitive result: every unicorn is a yeti. (There are no 
> documented instances of either, so the set of unicorns and yetis is
> indistinguishable.)
>
> A more serious issue, sticking with birds for the moment, is that it 
> is similarly hard to talk about properties of birds such as flying: we

> could not express the fact that all birds except penguins fly.
>
> An even more serious issue is that we need to capture the following
> situation:
>
> A service has an identifier
>
> A Web service is a service
> A Web service has a URI
>
> The Web service's URI counts_as the service identifier
>
> It is that counts_as that is beyond the capabilities of UML's 
> generalization. We *could* extend UML's generalization, and that may 
> be the best overall approach. In fact, we would really need to do that

> for all our relationships, use <is-a> and <has-a> and *never* rely on 
> UML's built-in relationships. <is-a> and <has-a> could probably be 
> defined in OCL.
>
>
> More to follow....
> Frank
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