RE: Friendly amendment #2c [Re: Straw poll on "synchronous" definitions]

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  From: www-ws-arch-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-arch-request@w3.org]On
Behalf Of Walden Mathews
  Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:25 AM
  To: Christopher B Ferris; www-ws-arch@w3.org
  Subject: Re: Friendly amendment #2c [Re: Straw poll on "synchronous"
definitions]


  I don't understand, but I want to.

  What would be an example of a oneway message exchange that was
  synchronous?  One that was asynchronous?  Actually, if it's oneway, can
  you really call it an exchange?

  Good question, since the definition tend to imply its reciprocal: exchange
one thing for another. But the term exchange as a noun is often used for
where exchanges can be reciprocal or not (exchange something for nothing).
So if you only allow one-way I would say it's not an exchange. But if you
allow one-way and two-way, then the term exchange would be correct in both
cases since it covers both possibilities.

  Can you elaborate on why the definitions should not be complementary?
  There a lots of examples that seem to work: typical vs atypical, sexual vs
  asexual.  What's wrong/different about this?

  The definition of sexual and asexual don't overlap in the sense that one
is always the opposite of another. Neither does synchronous and
asynchronous, but in our specific case they are sopposed to overlap, so I
also agree that defining one as the negation of the other is best.

  arkin

  Thanks,

  Walden Mathews
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Christopher B Ferris
    To: www-ws-arch@w3.org
    Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 12:58 PM
    Subject: Re: Friendly amendment #2c [Re: Straw poll on "synchronous"
definitions]



    I'm certainly not at all comfortable with Ugo's definition because it
only addresses request/response
    and does not at all scale to either multi-party exchanges (as Geoff
points out) or to
    a simple oneway message exchange, which most certainly CAN be
asynchronous. In fact,
    the definition we seem to have chosen cannot be translated into either
of these forms of MEP.

    Secondly, I think it would be a mistake to simply take one term and make
it the opposite or
    logical not of the other.

    My $0.02 USD.

    Christopher Ferris
    Architect, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture
    email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
    phone: +1 508 234 3624


          Geoff Arnold <Geoff.Arnold@Sun.COM>
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    Two quick questions:

    (1) Do people feel that we're converging on language which
    addresses both two-party and multi-party interactions?
    If not, does that matter?

    (2) Are we confident that our definition is robust
    enough to be adopted by the choreography folks?