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RE: proposed revision text for sect 1.5.3

From: Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler) <RogerCutler@chevrontexaco.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:49:35 -0500
Message-ID: <7FCB5A9F010AAE419A79A54B44F3718E026EF802@bocnte2k3.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
To: "David Booth" <dbooth@w3.org>, www-ws-arch@w3.org
cc: "Christopher B Ferris" <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>, Mike.champion@softwareag-usa.com

Although I will undoubtedly be proved wrong, it is personally very
difficult for me to see how anybody could disagree with that.

Uh ... Please don't take that as a challenge ...

-----Original Message-----
From: David Booth [mailto:dbooth@w3.org] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:13 PM
To: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Cc: Christopher B Ferris; Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler);
Mike.champion@softwareag-usa.com
Subject: RE: proposed revision text for sect 1.5.3


Having reviewed the comments on section 1.5.3, how about the following
rewrite:

<take4>
1.5.3 Service Description
The mechanics of the message exchange are documented in a
Web service description (WSD). (See Figure 1.) The WSD is a
machine-processable specification of the Web service's interface. It
defines the message formats, datatypes, transport protocols, and
transport serialization formats that should be used between the
requester agent and the provider agent. It also specifies one or more
network locations ("endpoints") at which a provider agent can be
invoked, and may provide some information about the message exchange
pattern that is expected. </take4>

Is this acceptable?


At 08:04 PM 5/31/2003 -0400, Christopher B Ferris <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>
wrote:
><take3>
>1.5.3 Service Description
>The mechanics of the message exchange are documented in a
>Web service description (WSD). (See Figure 1.) The WSD is an extensible

>machine processable specification of the Web service's interface. It 
>defines the messages that comprise the interface and any features 
>associated with those messages, such as security and reliability.

I don't think we should be saying that *every* WSD defines the features 
associated with its messages.  Many/most Web services will have security

and reliability characteristics that are not specified in their WSDs.

>It also defines the binding(s) of those messages and features to the 
>serialization format(s), such as SOAP, and transfer or transport 
>protocol(s), such as HTTP, supported by the Web service's endpoint(s).

I was specifically trying to keep this introduction short and easy to
read, 
and avoid jargon (such as "binding") that hasn't been defined yet.

>It also specifies the set of endpoints that each expose a network 
>addressable binding of the interface to the service functionality 
>implemented by the provider agent. </take3>

At 10:11 AM 5/31/2003 -0400, Christopher B Ferris wrote:
>First off, I thought that the parenthetical "(partially)" was 
>unnecessary for our purposes and somewhat derogatory towards WSDL which

>is still being developed and yet which is IMO sufficiently extensible 
>to allow whatever might be missing to be added to the WSD by means of 
>the extensibility points.

It wasn't derogatory toward WSDL.  The parenthetical "(partially)" was 
there to acknowledge the fact that a WSD does not necessarily describe
ALL 
of the mechanics of the message exchange.  There could be constraints on

the message formats, datatypes and protocols for a service that are not 
expressed in its WSD.

However, I don't mind removing the word "(partially)".

>Secondly, I was uncomfortable with "the specification of the formats, 
>datatypes, and protocols..." as being somewhat vague and imprecise.

It was intentionally vague and imprecise.  I'd be wary of trying to put
too 
much detail in the this section.  I'm trying to make this be an 
understandable, high level introduction to the rest of the document.
I'd 
prefer to leave the details (and hard stuff!) for the Concepts and 
Relationships section.

At 02:01 PM 5/31/2003 -0500, Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler) wrote:

>I believe that the "partially" refers to the concept, made very 
>explicit by the Booth diagrams, that a full description of the Web 
>service involves not only a machine readable component but also other 
>information that David calls "semantics".

Correct.


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David Booth
W3C Fellow / Hewlett-Packard
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