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RE: Snapshot of Web Services Glossary

From: Assaf Arkin <arkin@intalio.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:52:43 -0800
To: "Walden Mathews" <waldenm@optonline.net>, "Ugo Corda" <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com>, <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
Message-ID: <IGEJLEPAJBPHKACOOKHNEEOLDDAA.arkin@intalio.com>



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> Subject: Re: Snapshot of Web Services Glossary
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ugo Corda" <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com>
> To: "Walden Mathews" <waldenm@optonline.net>; <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:29 PM
> Subject: RE: Snapshot of Web Services Glossary
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> > >Then there's a reference to a "synchronous HTTP POST".
> > >Not sure if "synchronous" adds any meaning there.
> >
> > I think that "synchronous" in that context refers to the fact that the
> HTTP POST is expected to carry the response back on the same HTTP
> interaction.
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> "Same interaction" is a problem to generalize, although I get your
> meaning fine here.  It would also be on the same connection, but again
> generalizing, a connection is just an agreement of connected parties,
> nicely recursive.  But, perhaps more significantly, the "same interaction"
> signifies a time frame within to succeed or fail?
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> >
> > It's probably qualified as "synchronous" to distinguish it from an
> "asynchronous" HTTP POST, where the HTTP response (which will
> come back just
> because HTTP is a synchronous protocol) might be viewed by the client as
> just an ack from the server, or might be ignored. The "real" SOAP response
> would in that case come on a separate interaction and not via the initial
> HTTP response.
>
> Okay, I understand the explanation, but I have issues with the
> language still.  If I say my client "does a synchronous HTTP POST",
> I'm implying that my client can control whether the server processes
> the posted data now or defers processing until later, in which case
> the responses will be different as you describe above.  Meanwhile,
> there's an HTTP status code that means "I got it, but haven't processed
> it yet.", so there's no additional protocol needed for a client to
> know whether it got a post-processing representation or just an
> ack.  Using "synchronous" or "asynchronous" in this setting is mis-
> leading, and so should be avoided.  Surely better terms can be
> found; not so surely, perhaps no such terms are really needed.

What you are describing is the use of a synchronous protocol (HTTP) to
synchronously transfer the state (you know it was received) for asynchronous
processing (later).

I assume that later on you will receive a message indicating whether the
request was processed. So at the higher-level (say choreography) the
interaction involving request/response is synchronous, but each individual
operation is consider asynchronous, yet using a synchronous protocol to
ensure receipt.

arkin

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> I agree that request/response in HTTP can be regarded as
> "synchronous", due to almost universal although vague assumptions
> about how long the whole transaction ought to take.
>
> Walden
Received on Monday, 24 February 2003 14:55:12 GMT

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