Re: Nailing down the definition of "Web services" and the scope o fWS A for the document

Message"Interacting via standard protocols on the Web".  How would that differ
from "Interacting via standard Web protocols"?

I wonder how often in this discussion "the web" is being used interchangeably
with "the net".  IIOP is certainly on "the net", but not on "the web".  Not sure
if "on" is the right preposition, either.

Walden
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler) 
  To: Martin Chapman ; www-ws-arch@w3.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:29 PM
  Subject: RE: Nailing down the definition of "Web services" and the scope o fWS A for the document


  I think that interacting via standard protocols on the Web might be a bit better.  Would CORBA still be in the stew then?
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com] 
  Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 12:25 PM
  To: www-ws-arch@w3.org
  Subject: RE: Nailing down the definition of "Web services" and the scope o fWS A for the document




  In an earlier mail Mike suggested:
  "A Web service is an interface to an executable software agent that is designed to be used by another software agent. A Web service is identified by a URI, and has a definition in a language sufficient to describe the interface to developers of client agents. A software agent interacts with a Web service in the manner prescribed by the formal definition, using standard protocols."

  Using this defintion, CORBA objects are web services! They can have URIs (added about three years ago), they are defined using IDL which is sufficient to for developing client agents and they interact using standard protocols (iiop).

  I am not for one minute suggesting that CORBA objecst should be in the set, but without a better definition they will be and i'm not sure what use that is.

  Anyone remember business objects? Nice marketing term but no one could provide a techical defnition whereby if one were given something you can tell whether it was one or not. I'd hate to see web services go down this route.

  Martin.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: www-ws-arch-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-arch-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Christopher B Ferris
    Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 10:03 AM
    To: Colleen Evans
    Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org; www-ws-arch-request@w3.org
    Subject: Re: Nailing down the definition of "Web services" and the scope o fWS A for the document



    WSA-compliant is way too strong a term IMO. Why can't we just call it a Web Service? 

    Christopher Ferris
    Architect, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture
    email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
    phone: +1 508 234 3624 

    www-ws-arch-request@w3.org wrote on 04/17/2003 12:20:55 PM:

    > WSA-Compliant seems a bit overloaded for what we're defining.   How about WSA-Defined or WSA-Specified? 
    > Colleen 
    > "Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler)" wrote: 
    >  I cannot attend the telecon, but I think I have made it clear that I feel strongly about 
    > preserving the early bound scenarios that may not involve a formal XML definition of the 
    > interface.Beyond that, my opinions about your questions are:- WSA-Compliant seems better because 
    > ebXML certainly uses XML but is presumably not going to be WSA-Compliant.- I think that an actual 
    > realization of a machine processable interface description should be optional.- I think the WS is 
    > the agent and it has an interface, but I'm not too excited about this distinction.  I trust the 
    > people who are more precise about these things to keep this stuff straight. 
    > -----Original Message----- 
    > From: Champion, Mike [mailto:Mike.Champion@SoftwareAG-USA.com] 
    > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 7:14 AM 
    > To: www-ws-arch@w3.org 
    > Subject: RE: Nailing down the definition of "Web services" and the scope o f WS A for the document 
    >   
    >   
    > -----Original Message----- 
    > From: Christopher B Ferris [mailto:chrisfer@us.ibm.com] 
    > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 7:43 AM 
    > To: Champion, Mike 
    > Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org; www-ws-arch-request@w3.org 
    > Subject: RE: Nailing down the definition of "Web services" and the scope o f WS A for the document 
    >   
    >   
    > I for one had the same thought, a Web service *has an* interface, it is 
    > not an "is a" relationship in my book. 
    > It sounds to me like this is another issue we should discuss today in trying to filet the "what is
    > a Web service" trout.  So, the major points of discussion about the proposed definition from the 
    > editors seem to be:- What should we call a WSA-ish "Web service"?  "XML WS?"  "WSA-compliant WS?" 
    > other?- How formal / machine processable must a WSA-ish WS description be? - Is a WS an interface 
    > to some service, or does the WS have an XML interface?It would be good if people who feel strongly
    > about any of these issues were to get their arguments on the virtual table  before the telcon.