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Re: WSA diffs from REST

From: Mark Baker <distobj@acm.org>
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:29:47 -0400
To: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Message-ID: <20020922092947.B8274@www.markbaker.ca>

> > I suggest that my list of accepted constraints (modulo rephrasing to
> > remove the references to REST), plus your XML one, and any others that
> > WG thinks are there, would be sufficient.
> I think our job is to consider the the constraints of the web itself, as we
> in this WG understand it, in the light of whatever authoritative findings
> that the TAG comes up with as we are working.  These constraints will be
> considered in light of other constraints defined by our Requirements, the
> actual web services work going on, etc. I see no urgency to cull out the
> web-specific constraints, only to develop a coherent picture in in the
> actual WSA document.

I'm all for that. I was just saying that for my objectives, it isn't

> > As I've said, my only objective is to provide a means whereby the TAG
> > can quickly and accurately compare Web services with the Web.
> My opinion, which I believe is more or less shared by most of the other
> editors and the co-chair, is that the TAG has already made its opinion known
> on that subject in the discussion about GET in SOAP 1.2.  SOAP 1.2 has
> accomodated the TAG's issue to the satisfaction of both the XMLP WG and the
> TAG.  We have clear direction on the relationship between web services and
> the Web, that sketched out in SOAP 1.2, and our job is to flesh out a
> reference architecture that accomodates this, WSDL, SOAP as actually
> practiced, and numerous other inputs.

I'm sure that is your opinion, but mine is that GET support in SOAP 1.2
is just the tip of the iceberg of the architectural problems with Web

> I personally would not welcome an early occasion where "the TAG can quickly
> and accurately compare Web services with the Web."  They can of course
> review our working drafts of the WSA document itself and make their opinion
> known as it takes shape, and specific feedback -- such as they gave XMLP
> last spring -- would be welcome, but I would appreciate having the time to
> get good consensus in the WG around the WSA document before that happens.

We don't have to share the same objective to agree on what needs to
be done.

It sounds like we're in agreement that we need to outline the
constraints of the Web services architecture.  That's what I was
suggesting we do, and indeed started doing in my initial message
to this thread.

So let's just continue with that process.  Ok?

Mark Baker, CTO, Idokorro Mobile (formerly Planetfred)
Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA.               distobj@acm.org
http://www.markbaker.ca        http://www.idokorro.com
Received on Sunday, 22 September 2002 09:29:42 UTC

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