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RE: D-AG006 Security

From: David Orchard <david.orchard@bea.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:58:57 -0800
To: "'Joseph Hui'" <jhui@digisle.net>, <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
Message-ID: <005c01c1caa0$52782c30$0100007f@beasys.com>
Joe,

Do I understand correctly that you believe that the web services
architecture should define something in the area of two phase commit for web
services as a goal?

Cheers,
Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-ws-arch-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-arch-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Joseph Hui
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:49 PM
> To: www-ws-arch@w3.org
> Subject: RE: D-AG006 Security
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> [snip]
> > Or are you talking about the idea of "rolling
> > back" a transaction if it fails ...
>
> This type of course -- one atomic operation, do all or
> do none -- the type that generally employs 2-phase-commit
> algorithms.
>
> Joe Hui
> Exodus, a Cable & Wireless service
> =========================================
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joseph Hui [mailto:jhui@digisle.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 4:14 PM
> > To: Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler); Krishna Sankar; www-ws-arch@w3.org
> > Subject: RE: D-AG006 Security
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > [snip]
> > > Could we possibly consider putting reliable messaging into
> > > the security bucket?
> >
> > I don't think so.  There's no security primitives that
> > would fit the bill of reliable messaging (RM), which I sometimes
> > characterize as "layer-7 TCP" where a session between two
> > endpoints may span
> > over several time-serialized connections, disconnections,
> > reconnections.
> > AG006 may include securing RM, but not RM per se.
> >
> > While at it, let me mention that if you want to include
> > RM in WS-Arch, then you may as well not leave out transaction
> > processing.
> >
> > [snip]
> > > it is a natural
> > > progression of thought:  "I'm worried about who the author of
> > > the message
> > > is, whether it is distorted, and that IT ACTUALLY GETS THERE".
> >
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There no
> > security primitives that can guarantee data arrival.
> >
> > Joe Hui
> > Exodus, a Cable & Wireless service
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Received on Wednesday, 13 March 2002 10:05:26 GMT

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