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RE: Orchestration (was: W3C Web Service Description WG: Requireme nts)

From: Krishna Sankar <ksankar@cisco.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 11:30:32 -0800
To: "'Web Services Private'" <w3c-ws-desc@w3.org>, <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
Message-ID: <004e01c1dda1$859bfbf0$aa867ed8@amer.cisco.com>
Jeff,

	Even though I cannot disagree on "orchestration as a form of
composition", I would put orchestration in the execution of web
services. Remember, a web service might not know the orchestration when
it is composed - for a variety of reasons incl the fact that
orchestration would change depending on the output of the execution.

	IMHO, the *architecture* should consider and provide for
orchestration; the WSDL should also provide "hooks"  for orchestration.
One reason I see is the propagation of context and state which helps
orchestration, another one is at least a place holder for orchestration
related metadata like the engine URI. The WSDL cannot assume that a web
service starts and end by itself with out any colloboration and effect
on other "related" services. 

cheers

 | -----Original Message-----
 | From: w3c-ws-desc-request@w3.org 
 | [mailto:w3c-ws-desc-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Mischkinsky
 | Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:55 AM
 | To: Sadiq, Waqar; Jean-Jacques Moreau; Jeffrey Schlimmer
 | Cc: Web Services Private; Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com; www-ws-arch@w3.org
 | Subject: RE: Orchestration (was: W3C Web Service Description 
 | WG: Requireme nts)
 | 
 | 
 | The charter for the WSDWG specifically says that composition of web 
 | services is out of scope. I don't think it's a particularly 
 | big stretch to 
 | regard "orchestration" as a form of composition.
 | 
 |    jeff
 | At 07:05 AM 4/5/02, Sadiq, Waqar wrote:
 | 
 | 
 | >I am cross-posting this to the architecture group also.  I 
 | personally
 | >believe that a description language and orchestration 
 | language belong to
 | >different stacks in the web services reference model (none 
 | exists yet).
 | >
 | >I believe that orchestration layer adds a level of business 
 | intelligence
 | >that leverages the web services layer (described by WSDL) 
 | but the two are
 | >not the same.
 | >
 | >I vote to defer WSCL to the architecture group for 
 | consideration and not
 | >change the scope of what we are doing with WSDL.
 | >
 | >Thanks,
 | >
 | >
 | >_______________________________________________
 | >Waqar Sadiq
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 | >
 | >-----Original Message-----
 | >From: Jean-Jacques Moreau [mailto:moreau@crf.canon.fr]
 | >Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 2:18 AM
 | >To: Jeffrey Schlimmer
 | >Cc: Web Services Private; Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com
 | >Subject: Orchestration (was: W3C Web Service Description 
 | WG: Requirements)
 | >
 | >[Switching to w3c-ws-desc, since this may touch on member 
 | confidential
 | >issues.]
 | >
 | >Orchestration brings the question: what are we supposed to 
 | do with WSCL [1]?
 | >This does not seem to be considered out-of-scope [2], and 
 | the team's comment
 | >was that it should be brought to our attention [3]. Does 
 | this indicate a
 | >possible refinent for operations?
 | >
 | >Jean-Jacques.
 | >
 | >[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/wscl10/
 | >[2] http://www.w3.org/2002/01/ws-desc-charter
 | >[3] http://www.w3.org/Submission/2002/02/Comment
 | >
 | >Jeffrey Schlimmer wrote:
 | >
 | > > R097: I'd suggest change it to "Must". (Now, this is NOT 
 | covered by
 | > > R036!)
 | > > [jeffsch: I agree that this is part of a general Web 
 | Service definition,
 | > > but I don't agree that this is appropriate to describe 
 | in WSDL; it seems
 | > > to border on orchestration.]
 | > >
 | > > -- Igor Sedukhin .. (Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com)
 | 
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