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Re: issues to be resolved before last call (rdfms-assertion)

From: Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:33:23 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <20030117.103323.23382373.pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
To: connolly@w3.org
Cc: las@olin.edu, www-webont-wg@w3.org

From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
Subject: Re: issues to be resolved before last call (rdfms-assertion)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:18:38 -0600

> On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 08:15, Peter F. Patel-Schneider wrote:
> [...]
> > I would prefer it if the OWL documents could be silent on this issue, and
> > let usage, convention, etc., determine social meaning, as they have always
> > done.
> The risks associated with doing that are unacceptably high, to me.
> Namely, that people will claim that offers for sale, privacy
> and security policies, etc. *do not* have their usual
> social meaning (i.e. that their authors can be held accountable
> for thier contents) when written in OWL.
> This risk has already materialized for P3P.
> For an elaborate rationale, see TimBL's essay...
> "Bits mean something."
>  -- The Stack of Specifications
>  Tim Berners-Lee Date: 2002/05,
>  last change: $Date: 2003/01/06 19:40:09 $ 
>  Status: personal view only. Editing status: rough..
>  http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Stack
> For reference, the RDF Core issue most closely related to
> what Peter and Lynn are discussing is
>   http://www.w3.org/2000/03/rdf-tracking/#rdfms-assertion
> >   However, the RDF Concepts document normatively states that the
> > entire social meaning of an RDF document is a part of the RDF meaning of
> > that document.
> Yes, that's as it should be. The RDF and OWL WGs are
> in the W3C Technology and Society domain for a reason:
> to see that the technologies are properly connected
> to the social systems around them.
> >   Therefore I believe that the OWL documents must explicitly
> > disavow this view.
> That's unacceptable to me.
> > peter
> -- 
> Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/

I find that the risks of incorporating any and all social meaning into the
official meaning of RDF and OWL document to be unacceptable to me.  I
believe that they will be unacceptable to Lucent as well, and also to just
about any legal entity.

Note that the impact of social meaning is that any RDF document that
uses a URIref includes the entirety of the social meaning of any document
that can be found by dereferencing the URIref.   See Section 4.5 of the RDF
Concepts document for a particularly informative example.

Peter F. Patel-Schneider
Bell Labs Research
Lucent Technologies
Received on Friday, 17 January 2003 10:33:44 UTC

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