W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > www-webont-wg@w3.org > September 2002

Re: ISSUE 5.6 - daml:imports as magic syntax

From: Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:37:04 -0400
Message-Id: <p05111715b9a55f72e78b@[]>
To: Jeff Heflin <heflin@cse.lehigh.edu>, Tim Finin <finin@cs.umbc.edu>
Cc: www-webont-wg@w3.org

At 4:13 PM -0400 9/11/02, Jeff Heflin wrote:
>I believe that you have done it correctly. My personal opinion is that
>when you refer to classes and properties in a foreign ontology without
>importing it then technically you should not include the axioms from the
>foreign ontology when reasoning. Of course, this is almost always an
>error, or the result of someone like Dan who doesn't believe in imports.
>So we may decide to be lenient on this one and say that there is an
>implicit imports of any ontology that includes a class or property that
>is referenced. I'm not wild about that idea, but could live with it.
>Either way, we need to make the expected behavior clear in our

---- chair neutrality put into drydock somewhere ----

I have a LOT of problems with that and couldn't live with it.  In my 
work, we often point to a specific class definition in another 
document without wanting to import all the axioms.  In fact, we've 
developed the convention of using import when we do want the whole 
thing, and just pointing when we don't. In this sense the Xincludes 
would work for us just fine.

As an example, the OpenCyc ontology contains a lot of useful classes 
(we tend to use real objects like dog, cat, etc. - Dan C. uses some 
of the more abstract things like time, I believe).  However, we do 
not want to import all of CYC to use one piece -- we use the 
following operational semantics
  when we point to a specific property or class we treat it as if we 
did a lexical import of just that URI.  WHen we use imports, we treat 
it as the lexical import of the entire document the ontology appears 
in.  We realize neither of these is completely correct, but it works 
well enough for our purposes.

The specific tool we are playing with is a markup tool called SMORE 
[1] which allows users to mark up documents against an ontology they 
create by picking and choosing pieces of existing ontologies and/or 
extending them -- thus it fits in our ontology sharing and linking 
use cases.

[1] http://www.mindswap.org/~aditkal/editor.html

(note: the downloadable beta of SMORE has some RDF bugs in it - a new 
version will be out soon that fixes the RDF dump and simplifies the 

--- cloak of chair neutrality re-donned ----------
Professor James Hendler				  hendler@cs.umd.edu
Director, Semantic Web and Agent Technologies	  301-405-2696
Maryland Information and Network Dynamics Lab.	  301-405-6707 (Fax)
Univ of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742	  240-731-3822 (Cell)
Received on Wednesday, 11 September 2002 17:37:08 UTC

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.1 : Tuesday, 6 January 2015 21:56:47 UTC