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RE: Issue JW24d (xml:lang)

From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:29:27 +0100
To: <www-webdav-dasl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <JIEGINCHMLABHJBIGKBCAEEAGCAA.julian.reschke@gmx.de>

Well,

what I see is that nobody has made an effort to define syntax and semantics
for that kind of extension. If somebody really feels that it's necessary,
(s)he should make a proposal how this is supposed to work.

Note that RFC2277 says:

"  Note that this does NOT mean that such information must always be
   present; the requirement is that if the sender of information wishes
   to send information about the language of a text, the protocol
   provides a well-defined way to carry this information."

And I really think this is what applies here. We are defining a marshalling
format for queries on text values. Text literals match independantly of the
language they are in (just as in SQL).

We *could* define a new operator which explicitly tests for the value of
xml:lang on a property, but before we do that (and make it a required
operator), I'd like to understand who needs this and who's actually going to
implement it.

Julian

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-webdav-dasl-request@w3.org
> [mailto:www-webdav-dasl-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Lisa Dusseault
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:10 PM
> To: 'Julian Reschke'; www-webdav-dasl@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Issue JW24d (xml:lang)
>
>
>
> As far as I know, this will not be acceptable to the IESG. Generally
> natural language strings, including search terms, must have language
> identifiers in order for the protocol to be approved as an IETF
> standard. RFC2277 provides guidance and requirements on this matter.
>
> I think Jim already provided a good example, but RFC2277 has another
> similar one:  one might reasonably wish to do a large search for
> documents with the name of a specific tree in Norwegian.  The name of
> the tree is 'ask'.  It's useless to get all the English documents with
> the word 'ask' in response to that query.  If there *are* body or
> properties typed as Norwegian, then our search syntax must be able to
> specify that the search engine should match these first.
>
> Lisa
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Julian Reschke [mailto:julian.reschke@gmx.de]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:24 AM
> > To: www-webdav-dasl@w3.org
> > Subject: Issue JW24d (xml:lang)
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm proposing to close (reject) the issue below, unless somebody is
> > willing
> > to make a serious attempt to explain why we need that in
> DAV:basicsearch.
> >
> > Julian
> >
> >
> > [1]
> > <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-reschke-webdav-search-
> > latest.html#rf
> > c.issue.JW24d>
> > --
> > <green/>bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760
> >
>
>
>
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