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Re: Warning DOCTYPE Override in effect!

From: Michael[tm] Smith <mike@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 10:38:28 +0900
To: "Rainald.Koch@t-online.de" <Rainald.Koch@t-online.de>
Cc: "www-validator@w3.org" <www-validator@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20161219013828.rsrllilyszcf2n46@sideshowbarker.net>
"Rainald.Koch@t-online.de" <Rainald.Koch@t-online.de>, 2016-12-17 02:20 +0100:
> Archived-At: <http://www.w3.org/mid/1481937602762.98199.d508c1fffdb8f3be30fae8605c38af969654f040@spica.telekom.de>
> ...
> the following direct input to the validator (with SVG 1.1 selected from 
> Doctype list):
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
> <svg version="1.1" ...
> led to the warning
> <quote>The DOCTYPE Declaration for "SVG 1.1" has been inserted at the start 
> of the document, but even if no errors are shown below the document will 
> not be Valid until you add the new DOCTYPE Declaration.</quote>

So yeah that message is wrong, but unfortunately we don’t have anybody
committed to actively fixing problems like that in the legacy validator.

Because of that and a lot of other reasons, I recommend you instead use the
checker at https://validator.w3.org/nu/ (which is very actively maintained
and which is much more up to date with the current SVG specs).

If you pass a (namespaced) SVG document to that checker, it will check it
as SVG as expected; for example:


In fact that also allows SVG containing embedded XHTML, MathML, and ARIA
markup too. And it does the checking using a RelaxNG schema, which enables it
to do some checks that aren’t possible using the legacy W3C DTD-based validator.

It will also work as expected if you use the “file upload” option to upload
a document. However, it won’t work as expected with the “text input” option.

But if you want to check SVG content through direct text input, you can use
https://validator.nu/ (built on the same backend as validator.w3.org/nu/)
and manually set the Preset option there to SVG 1.1.


> Context: I had just removed the DTD declaration after reading
> [1] https://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/intro.html#NamespaceAndDTDIdentifiers
> <https://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/intro.html#NamespaceAndDTDIdentifiers>
> <quote>It is not recommended that a DOCTYPE declaration be included in SVG 
> documents.</quote>
> [2] https://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html
> <https://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html>
> <quote>Beyond the specificities of (X)HTML processing, Doctype declarations 
> in XML languages are only useful to declare named entities and to 
> facilitate the validation of documents based on DTDs. This means that in 
> many XML languages, doctype declarations are not necessarily 
> useful.</quote>

Michael[tm] Smith https://people.w3.org/mike

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