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Re: HTML 5 conformance: table border obsolete?

From: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 08:12:47 -0600
Message-ID: <CAOk_reFumPb9t3qvVm57uhaFrp3kLYLf2O+SSm=qYasFozmEbw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Guus Schreiber <guus.schreiber@vu.nl>
Cc: www-validator@w3.org, "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi>
I know it can be challenging to use CSS instead of embedding presentational
attributes in HTML, but this feels like a simple global change to your spec
that would be more consistent with w3c best practices.  I would be happy to
help with the edits so this 'bug' doesn't get in the way of your
publishing.  Let me know.
On Feb 6, 2014 7:35 AM, "Guus Schreiber" <guus.schreiber@vu.nl> wrote:

>
>
> On 06-02-14 13:53, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>
>> 2014-02-06 12:09, Michael[tm] Smith wrote:
>>
>>  > Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@målform.no>, 2014-02-06 03:10
>> +0100:
>> [...]
>>
>>> Mike, you are not answering the question.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're right, sorry.
>>>
>>
>> Mike, you are still not answering the question.
>>
>>  As I understand it, you're probably suggesting I should try to answer the
>>> question of why, in the particular document that the OP cited, using
>>> legacy
>>> table@border=1 markup for presentational purposes is a better choice
>>>
>>
>> Whatever Leif may have suggested (and I don't think he suggested that),
>> the original question was:
>>
>> "Is this a validator bug?"
>>
>>  The answer is that @border is conforming in HTML5 and that the validator
>>>> has a bug if it does not allow it. There was a change proposal
>>>> process to
>>>> have @border added back into the spec, and the CP prevailed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK, understood. As far as that goes, could you please take a minute to
>>> file
>>> a bug report?
>>>
>>
>> I don't get it. It seems that the validators http://validator.w3.org and
>> http://validator.w3.org/nu/ were recently changed to report the border
>> attribute as an error, against the draft specifications and against what
>> http://www.validator.nu does. Instead of fixing this bug, you're
>> suggesting opening a bug report and, as per your later comment, to
>> continue the discussion there.
>>
>> What is there to be discussed? Either you fix the bug, or you don't. I
>> don't think there is anything to be discussed, as the draft
>> specifications are so clear. What the specifications should say is a
>> different issue
>>
>> And I suppose the original poster deserves a simple answer to the simple
>> question (and to the natural followup question "when will it be fixed?").
>>
>
> I woud be very grateful if it could be fixed soon. We are going to REC
> with 8 docuemtns from different editors, where many use this feature. The
> Webmaster will complan if the this "bug" pops up.
>
> Thanks for the quick responses,
> Guus
>
> PS I personally don't like the border thing either, but as chair I have a
> different role.
>
>
>
>
>> Yucca
>>
>>
>>
>
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