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RE: Validator Troubler

From: Tatham Oddie <tatham@oddie.com.au>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:03:40 +1100
To: "'Cory S'" <veneno-games@hotmail.com>
Cc: <www-validator@w3.org>, <david@dorward.me.uk>, 'xn--mlform-iua@målform.no' <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
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Great to hear! Congrats on getting it to pass.





Tatham Oddie

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From: Cory S [mailto:veneno-games@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 5 February 2010 9:59 AM
To: tatham@oddie.com.au
Cc: www-validator@w3.org; david@dorward.me.uk; xn--mlform-iua@målform.no
Subject: RE: Validator Troubler


Thanks to you, David and Leif Halvard, I have fixed the problem. Thanks for the great help Tatham for fixing my code and being extremely helpful. I now realise <br/> was the wrong code, but am unaware why all the browsers decided to confuse me by physically making the line breaks, and will remember to change all the ampersands on youtube videos in the future.

Thanks a lot, 


From: tatham@oddie.com.au
To: veneno-games@hotmail.com
CC: www-validator@w3.org
Subject: RE: Validator Trouble
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:57:18 +1100

Hi Cory,


All of David’s points are correct, and after I got through the first few errors the validations messages were actually all pretty clear.


You started with 48 errors and 20 warnings.


I have no reduced this to 11 errors and 0 warnings. The remaining errors are all still errors in your own source, not the validator, and relate to how you’re using Flash.


To fix the remaining errors, look at using either Flash Satay (http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay) or SWFObject (http://code.google.com/p/swfobject/).


Note that I did the bare minimum work required to make this file technically validate. It by no means represents best practice design. If you want to improve it (which I assume you do if you’re competing) then you should start by moving all of the styling out of the HTML and into the CSS. The words “align”, “width” and “height” should not be anywhere in your HTML.


I’ve attached the original HTML, the improved HTML and a patch file that shows exactly what changes I made.


Good luck!





Tatham Oddie

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From: www-validator-request@w3.org [mailto:www-validator-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Tatham Oddie
Sent: Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:34 PM
To: 'Cory S'; www-validator@w3.org
Subject: RE: Validator Trouble


Hi Cory,


These are actually all issues in the source, although relatively hard to pick up.


In this case the error messaging really isn’t helping you too much.


Give me a few mins and I’ll have a more complete response for you with what you need to do.





Tatham Oddie

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From: www-validator-request@w3.org [mailto:www-validator-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Cory S
Sent: Thursday, 4 February 2010 1:10 PM
To: www-validator@w3.org
Subject: Validator Trouble


When checking the FRC Robotics website I'm making (http://www.othsrobotics.ca), I ran into some issues with the validator. As you might be aware, the First Robotics Competition holds a website competition for its teams. One aspect of this competition is to be validated by the W3C validator. However, there are a few issues I think are issues with the validator, and/or don't know how to fix them.

A few examples of some issues:

1) Line 46, Column 35: Attribute "ALIGN" is not a valid attribute. Did you mean "align"?

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. As you can see in the source, and in this error message, what I wrote was obviously correct, as it states align!=align, which it obviously is. This problem is seen throughout the document for WIDTH, HEIGHT, etc.

2) Line 36, Column 7: end tag for element "HEAD" which is not open

If you check the source, the element <head> was actually open... This also happens with <center> and <param> later in the document.

3) Line 134, Column 98: general entity "hl" not defined and no default entity

In the validator, you'll notice that this problem is being mentioned inside of an embedded youtube video url, meaning that it shouldn't be being validated. This happens quite a few times every time I link a youtube video.


4) Line 173, Column 4: NET-enabling start-tag requires SHORTTAG YES 

When I state <br/>, it finds an error for it, even though it is the correct html code for line break.

5) Line 195, Column 427: non SGML character number 146

When I state the character " in my text and paragraphs, it finds it an error for some reason. When I try 34& (the html term for " ), it only ends up messing with the page.


If you can get back to me with a way to fix these problems, which I'm sure a few of them shouldn't be actual errors, it would be greatly appreciated.

The contest ends February 16th and I need my website to be validated by then.

-Cory Sulpizi, Web Admin for Team 1334 Robotics


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