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Re: HTML Validator HTTP Accept

From: Sierk Bornemann <sierkb@gmx.de>
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:23:38 +0100
Cc: www-validator Community <www-validator@w3.org>
Message-Id: <629A40A7-CBAE-48B0-BDE5-6723FD707762@gmx.de>
To: David Dorward <david@dorward.me.uk>


Am 11.12.2008 um 21:48 schrieb David Dorward:
>
> If the content is generated, then whatever is generating it can be set
> to generate differently marked up content depending on the URI.
> Converting XHTML to HTML is relatively trivial with XSLT or libtidy.

Have you ever seen a content management system or blog system out  
there, which is able to do that?
If that would be a veritable and acceptable solution, why hasn't it  
wide spread?
Imagine, what disk space explosion would be generated on the different  
webservers, if that would come into real scenario. And all that only  
to provide two different content types (HTML and XHTML) and to please  
one particular web browser, which is not capable of the recommended  
XHTML Mimetype (Internet Explorer)? Can you guess, that the expense  
and costs of your "solution" might not in due proportion to what is  
aimed?

> ... but frankly - XHTML provides little advantage in most cases. So
> unless there was a real benefit to it, I'd just generate HTML from the
> outset and not worry about content negotiation.

This is a declaration of death for XHTML at all and the mimetype  
application/xhtml+xml. It would be so, if one would follow your advice.

> Umm. Err. Why are you imposing such ridiculous constraints?
>
> If you want to do content negotiation then:

Please no theoretical Blahblah: please give me a real usable code  
example in apache configuration code that can be used in real world  
needs, how to solve the situation WITHOUT doubling the content  
physically, WITHOUT symlinking the content files on the webserver,  
WITHOUT content negotiation (which needs a minimum of two physical  
files) and WITHOUT relying on accept headers and WITHOUT using  
mod_rewrite in combination with accept headers. Your proposed Quality  
Values (for example qs=0.999 .xhtml) do only work, if the content does  
exist multiple times. But this multiple existance of so far identical  
web content and only differing in file extension is unacceptable and  
unreachable for the most scenarios out there or might be.
ONE example for real world use, that fits the needs, please. Only one  
simple example that can be chosen in real world and that fits real  
world needs.
Please specify or link to configuration code for Apache to show a  
solution.

Thanks,
Sierk

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