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RE: I think your validator may be faulty ????

From: Greg Sabin <movingpictures4u@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
To: Terry Burns <terry.burns@trainingon.net>
Cc: www-validator@w3.org
Message-ID: <442548.4209.qm@web30609.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Sure, well I am not sure how the validator does its job , but some company's like google look for your 404 page error, and if it is not found  , they assume you are having software to hardware compatibility issues and are by passing them by not running any security at all, 
  why they want it to say 404 file not found error, and not like ''oops you have gone to a page that does not, or no longer exists click here to go to the home page" I don't know, I was told this is a problem on my godaddy portal www.projectalien.com , but I also found customers liked being able to find a exit to take them to where they needed to go and not leave them at a dead end page.
  well if the ASP.NET programming rendering is correct could it be a compatibility issue with the Bios, and hardware ? Ive seen alot of strange things happen, when hardware is made to do things  it can't.
  My main web site is a Microsoft office live, and well it has errors on blank pages, and since I'm not allowed to alter their base code, they remain.
  But of all the crazy things I have 1 server not secure and 1 that is, why they did this I do not know either, but hey that's office live, http://alien-computer.org  is the same as https://alien-computer.org .
  but hey 1 time I went to edit my site and the page editor was all in Japanese, when I wrote to office live support, they asked me what the problem was, so unless my site is limping around like a wounded dog I really don't bother them any more.
  I know its all your programming when you host of rented servers, but I would make sure the listed servers are application friendly to what your trying to run.
  this is the response when you go to trainingon.net/1234
  The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. 
  Please try the following:
  Make sure that the Web site address displayed in the address bar of your browser is spelled and formatted correctly. 
If you reached this page by clicking a link, contact the Web site administrator to alert them that the link is incorrectly formatted. 
Click the Back button to try another link. 
File or directory not found.
Internet Information Services (IIS)
  Technical Information (for support personnel)
  Go to Microsoft Product Support Services and perform a title search for the words HTTP and 404. 
Open IIS Help, which is accessible in IIS Manager (inetmgr), and search for topics titled Web Site Setup, Common Administrative Tasks, and About Custom Error Messages.

Terry Burns <terry.burns@trainingon.net> wrote:
        v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}        st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                Thanks for your input,
  I think we have established that this is an ASP.NET rendering issue rather than a validation problem. 
  I’m not sure what you mean by saying the web server is not secure; in what way does this WHOIS entry mean it’s not secure.  It is not running secure sockets with a certificate if that’s what you’re referring to? But I we knew this anyway, and I’m not sure what made you bring that up as an issue really? Perhaps you could illuminate.
  From: Greg Sabin [mailto:movingpictures4u@yahoo.com] 
Sent: 24 September 2007 13:01
To: Drake Wilson
Cc: Terry Burns
Subject: Re: I think your validator may be faulty ????

    Well I usually just observe, the goings on and say nothing, but I do see a problem here, and not with the validator, after looking at your web site and the server programming it says it uses, it would seem your web site server is not secure acording to WHOIS domain database, I do know this can screw up google ownership verification.

    But, the bottem-line here is, if your renting a server, and its not sitting in a room in your building, where you can controll how its used, and what all goes into and what comes out of it, well then just say '' bloody hell thank you TUCOWS '', lol

    here is what is reporting on your web site, from the regesry data base.

            Current Registrar:
      IP Address: (ARIN & RIPE IP search) 
      IP Location:
      Record Type:
    Domain Name 
      Server Type:
    IIS 6 
      Lock Status:
      Web Site Status:
    no listings 
      Y! Directory: 
    see listings 
      Traffic Ranking:
    Not available 
      Data as of:

    Domain Name: TRAININGON.NET
   Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
   Whois Server: whois.tucows.com
   Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net
   Name Server: NS4.DNSSERVER8.COM
   Name Server: NS5.DNSSERVER8.COM
   Status: clientTransferProhibited
   Status: clientUpdateProhibited
   Updated Date: 29-aug-2007
   Creation Date: 10-dec-2004
   Expiration Date: 10-dec-2008


    Just remember a server is like a child, if you teach it junk, well thats what comes back out.

    Greg Sabin

Drake Wilson <drake@begriffli.ch> wrote:

Quoth Terry Burns , on 2007-09-21 17:21:49 +0100:
> The address of the page being checked is
> http://www.trainingon.net/
> The error being reported is
> 1. ErrorLine 44, Column 286: there is no
> attribute "valign".
> ..8281250" alt="Expand Courses" valign="middle" />
> But, this text does not appear in the document at all. However, an element
> style style="vertical-align:middle" does exist and I think your parser is
> translating this and outputting the error shown.

The parser isn't translating anything. The server is returning
different content based on the declared User-Agent. If I request that
page with a Mozilla User-Agent header, it gives me XHTML 1.0
Transitional with various CSS. If I request it with a Lynx User-Agent
header I get a non-CSS version of some sort instead, which does in
fact include that text.

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Received on Monday, 24 September 2007 13:00:39 UTC

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