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RE: validation in Opera

From: Nigel Peck - MIS Web Design <nigel@miswebdesign.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:03:50 -0000
To: "David Bryant" <davidbryant@att.net>, Håkon Wium Lie <howcome@opera.com>
Cc: <www-validator@w3.org>
Message-ID: <BFECLKEDIHDIPFDEBCFNOEKBDMAA.nigel@miswebdesign.com>

IMHO it's your reaction that is entirely inappropriate.

Anything that will promote validation of source code has to be a good thing,
too many developers just aren't aware of it and Opera is popular with
developers. If it encourages more developers to use validation then it's
nothing but a good thing.

Would you rather they created some new proprietary elements as their cool

If you believe in standards then can't you see the value in this that it is
promoting them? We should be glad that Opera are asking the question and not
ignoring standards.

He came in peace, it's a shame you didn't.

Just MHO


MIS Web Design

> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-validator-request@w3.org
> [mailto:www-validator-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of David Bryant
> Sent: 11 March 2003 20:28
> To: Håkon Wium Lie
> Cc: www-validator@w3.org
> Subject: Re: validation in Opera
> Håkon Wium Lie wrote:
>  >Dear validators,
>  >
>  >I come in peace.
>  >
>  >As you may know, the Opera browser offers to validate pages by
>  >uploading the source to the W3C validator. To get to this function,
>  >you right-click on the page, Fram->Validate source.
>  >
>  >This feature doesn't work very well at the moment. There are two
> problems:
>  >[snip ...]
>  >
> This strikes me as an entirely inappropriate request.
> The validator shouldn't "assume" anything, except that the
> standards are to be applied.
> I obtained the "Opera" browser last week. I got both the
> Windows version and the Linux version -- 7.01 for Windows,
> and 6.11 for Linux.
> I want to test my pages against this browser, since I under-
> stand many people are using it.
> One of the really annoying things -- to me -- is that Opera
> has a user option that lies about the browser that's running.
> It will identify itself as Opera, or as Netscape, or as MSIE,
> depending on the way the user switch is set.
> How can I code my pages to accomodate the little quirks in
> the Opera browser if the program won't identify itself properly
> when an Opera user visits my page?
> How can standards be standards if we lower them just to
> let some software authors put a "cool" feature in their
> programs?
> Standards should be standards, and the validator ought
> to apply them consistently.  dcb
Received on Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:06:00 UTC

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