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Re: Todo list

From: Frank Ellermann <Frank.Ellermann@t-online.de>
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 21:43:01 +0100
Message-ID: <3E57E0D5.6070@xyzzy.claranet.de>
To: Terje Bless <link@pobox.com>
CC: W3C Validator <www-validator@w3.org>

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Terje Bless wrote:

> If the content fails to make it through in any browser then
> _please_ tell me about it! It is expected that some things
> will fail to work 100% in (mainly) older browsers, but a
> significant design goal is that the main content should come
> through no matter what.

Some minor observations following this line:

&#xa9; and &#xae; don't work with Netscape 2.02 (3.x), this
also won't work with 4.61, but we already agreed to ignore all
"4.x" browsers... ;-)  You could use the decimal notation for
copyright (&#169;) and reg. trademark (&#174;) on the result
page.

Unfortunately both browsers are also too stupid for &ldquo;
and &rdquo; (4.61 knows &#8220; resp. &#8221;), maybe use 
something like...

...identified itself as <i><q>Strict HTML 2.0</q></i> and...
...identified istelf as <em>Strict HTML 2.0</em> and...

...or similar (only <q> isn't enough, that's the same problem
as <del> vs. <s><del> with old browsers).

BTW, I have only one "HTML 2.0 Strict" page, because I wanted
to test the wonders of short tags.  Normally the result page
proposes an icon like http://www.w3.org/Icons/valid-xhtml10,
but for strict 2.0 I had to find a corresponding icon manually:

<URL:http://validator.w3.org/images/vh20>.
 
> Is there a problem viewing the site in Netscape 3.x then?

Fragments like "Skip Navigation" or "Results" don't work (same
problem with 4.x), because there is only an id= (but no name=).

http://validator.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/ipr-notice#Copyright
is apparently broken, dito: #Legal_Disclaimer, #W3C_Trademarks 
 
> Specifics, man. Specifics! :-)

Try <URL:http://validator.w3.org/checklink>, they've even got a
nice bugzilla... ;-) 
 
  [fragments]   
> I'm still thinking about what policy to take in general on
> this.
[...]
> This either does not follow from the previous discussion or I
> am failing to understand it.

My idea was to add a _similar_ function like ",tablin" for the
missing name= attributes, it's simple enough for awk. I would 
then add e.g. ",stoneage" to the URLs and get name= in addition
to id= (or even &#1234; instead of &#x04D2;) automatically.

But these are all minor issues, I'm much more interested in a
way to suppress the source output for erroneous pages.  This is
almost a feature, if the result page needs more than 3 seconds
to load, then your validator has found some errors and echoes
the complete source, maybe trying to punish me... ;-)

                     Bye, Frank
Received on Saturday, 22 February 2003 15:45:49 GMT

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