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Re: Softquad DTD?

From: ewitness - Ben Fowler <bfowler@ewitness.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:28:23 +0000
Message-Id: <f04330110b87fa5bb7ffd@[192.168.254.56]>
To: Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net>, Nick Kew <nick@webthing.com>
Cc: <www-validator@w3.org>
At 10:50 pm +0100 31/1/02, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote:
>* Nick Kew wrote:
>>Just encountered the following FPI:
>>
>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC
>  >"-//SoftQuad Software//DTD HoTMetaL PRO 6.0::19990601::extensions 
>to HTML >4.0//EN" "hmpro6.dtd">
>  >
>>The local filename for a DTD is of course useless (surely softquad should
>>know better?), and http://www.softquad.com/ declines to load in Konqueror.
>>
>>Although it claims to be PUBLIC, none of the validators recognises it.
>>Should we have it, or is it pure bogus?
>
>I tried to find HoTMetaL DTDs several times, but I've never had success,
>so, how to recognize it?

I hope that I am not treading on Nick's toes, as he probably knows
much more about this than I do, but an example may help. One of the
more important DTDs for the web is this one

      <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
         "http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/loose.dtd">

which originates from the W3C as the index case does from SoftQuad Software,
the main difference in the DOCTYPE being that this has a URL to
download the dtd from. Furthermore a spot of googling produces no
fewer than 15 200 hits on loose.dtd with over 2000 having pointers
to how to download; whereas there were only 45 hits on hmpro6.dtd,
most of which appeared to be the text of documents incorporating
the DOCTYPE, exempli gratia,

<URL: http://www.mchach41.com/pages/softquad_software.htm >
<URL: http://war-ink.com/stupid/AlarmLight.html >
<URI: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/html-tidy/2001AprJun/0192.html >
<URI: 
http://webcvs.kde.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/www/faq.html.diff?r1=1.2&r2=1.3 >
<URI: 
http://archives.hwg.org/hwg-style/000001c07ca9$4a09fe20$c813040a@agloster >

and I could not find a single site offering a download, videlicet
<URL: 
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&as_qdr=all&q=+%22hmpro6+dtd%22+download&btnG=Google+Search >

<URL: 
http://search.lycos.co.uk/cgi-bin/pursuit?query=hmpro6.dtd&cat=ftp&matchmode=and&family=on&lang=any&idx=all&maxhits=10&x=29&y=9 >

Hence the need to consider whether "hmpro6.dtd" is bogus.

Ben.
Received on Thursday, 31 January 2002 21:29:09 GMT

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