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Re: Better internationalization of validator

From: Terje Bless <link@tss.no>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 05:30:21 +0200
To: Martin Duerst <duerst@w3.org>
cc: Gerald Oskoboiny <gerald@w3.org>, W3C Validator <www-validator@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20010612053033-b01010701-7320a12d@192.168.1.6>
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On 11.06.01 at 16:48, Martin Duerst <duerst@w3.org> wrote:

>At 05:00 01/05/22 +0200, Terje Bless wrote:
>>[...] use HTML::Parser for [...] DOCTYPE sniffing and such[.]
>
>That would deal with <meta, but not with <?xml, I guess.

IIRC, HTML::Parser deals with XML Processing instructions in later
versions. To quote gaas in the POD[0]:

# $p->xml_mode([$bool])
#
# Enabling this attribute changes the parser to allow some XML constructs
# such as empty element tags and XML processing instructions.


>Also, we may have to do some pre-sniffing anyway in order to deal with
>UTF-16 and EBCDIC.

I'll give you UTF-16 (kinda!), but EBCDIC is not possible to sniff for in
any meaningfull way AFAIK; for all practical purposes, it needs to be
properly labelled in the Content-Type (IOW, it's "SEP"[1]).

As for UTF-16, I think it's reasonable to assume that it will be properly
labelled or contain a BOM. Checking the first 2/3 bytes for one of the
three possible BOMs in UTF-8/UTF-16-MSB/UTF-16-LSB is a far cry from the
current mess (that alters the DOCTYPE if it sees "<FRAME"!).


Is UTF-16 ASCII-compatible enough that we can assume ASCII up to the XML
Declaration ("<?xml ... ?>")? I could live with a little content sniffing
-- to decide between HTML or XML semantics, or to determine source charset
before we convert to UTF-8 internally, etc. -- as long as it stops guessing
at doctypes based on tags present, and uses an actual SGML parser to figure
out the (provided) DOCTYPE instead of a quick+dirty regex. Once we're there
we should be able to use said SGML/XML parser to extract the necessary
charset info; using two-pass parsing if necessary.




[0] - BTW, a usefull little Bookmarklet for looking up a module on CPAN:
<URL:javascript:void(Qr=prompt('Module...',''));if(Qr)void(location.href='http://search.cpan.org/search?mode=module&query='+escape(Qr))>


[1] - "In Other Words" and "Somebody Else's Problem", respectively. :-)
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