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Re: More comments on validator and HTML4

From: Roger W. Winget <wingetr@cs.byuh.edu>
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 23:15:49 -1000
Message-ID: <389552C4.7C0B230E@cs.byuh.edu>
To: Vidiot <vidiot@vidiot.com>
CC: www-validator@w3.org


Vidiot wrote:

> I added a DOCTYPE to www.vidiot.com/forumdisplay.html so that I
> look for other errors.  What I came up with has surprised me.
>
> 1) <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
>    This error has been mentioned before, so I'm probably beating a
>    dead horse, but to force the TYPE attribute on the world is going
>    to be like leading a horse to water.  You can't make it drink.
>    All of the Javascript examples that I have seen out on the web
>    all use the above to describe the script language type.  It is
>    never going to go away.  If you want to use TYPE, fine.  But don't
>    deprecate LANGUAGE.  Allow both.  Have the HTML document strongly
>    urge the usage of TYPE, but don't kill LANGUAGE.
>
> 2) Error: required attribute "ALT" not specified
>    Really?  I understand the need for ALT within IMG, but to require
>    it?  Browsers certain to not refuse to display pages because the
>    attribute is missing.  I personally always use them, but to
>    require them is a bit much.  I would strongly urge the optional
>    use of the attribute and fully describe the reason for the use in
>    the HTML 4 document.
>
> 3) Line 87, column 146:
>      ... middle>   <A
> HREF="ubbmisc.cgi?action=getannounce&ForumNumber=3&Start= ...
>                                                            ^
>    Error: general entity "ForumNumber" not defined and no default entity
>
>    Oops, validator parsing error?  Arguments being passed to a CGI
>    script are not invalid.

You should replace '&' with' &amp;'.  This list has discussed the use of
ampersands separating arguments to a CGI script for the past two or three
weeks.  Your browser will convert '&amp;' to '&' and your script will run
just fine.

>
>
> 4) Line 259, column 120:
>       ... eryone Looking for Brendan's Autograph from the M&M Board -
> Click Here ...
>                                                            ^
>    Error: general entity "M" not defined and no default entity
>
>    Am I missing something here?  The & character is not illegal.  To
>    require that the & character be defind as an entity is going too
>    far.  The validator should ignore the & character if there isn't
>    a ; to close the entity within a certain number of characters.

You face this problem with any language with meta characters.  In
C (and quite a few other languages) '\' is a special character.  In html,
we use '&' but it's the same general idea.  This specification isn't new
to html 4.0 - it's part of 2.0 if not earlier.

>
>
> General comment on the HTML4 PDF document.  When the document is
> printed,
> which I have done, it is tough to find a page because for some
> unknown reason, the page numbers are in the INSIDE of the printed
> page instead on the OUTSIDE of the printed page.  Please move the
> date/section info to the inside and the page number to the outside.
> Yes, I printed the document double-sided.
>
> Thanks for reading my comments.
>
> Mike Brown
> --
> e-mail: vidiot@vidiot.com
>     Bart: Hey, why is it destroying other toys?  Lisa: They must have
>     programmed it to eliminate the competition.  Bart: You mean like
>     Microsoft?  Lisa: Exactly.  [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
> Visit - URL:http://www.vidiot.com/  (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)

Roger W. Winget
mailto:wingetr@cs.byuh.edu
Received on Monday, 31 January 2000 04:18:35 GMT

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