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[Bug 24559] Nu Markup Checker emits "Use CSS instead" help message for table@border=1

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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 17:33:46 +0000
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Message-ID: <bug-24559-169-X9tUshcmeS@http.www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/>

Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|NEEDSINFO                   |---

--- Comment #5 from Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no> ---
Regarding if I can see a need for the document in question  to use border="1",
then I think it is positive to use border="1" as this attribute causes borders
to be rendered even if you run browser with/in a very simple mode, without CSS.
I would not recommend @border on layout tables, but on data tables, I think it
is fine.

And since table@border=1 is fully permitted by the HTML5 specificaiton, one can
just as well ask: Do you see a need to *not* use it?

Thus, since, regardless of the need to use border=1, HTML5 permits its use, it
is clearly erroneous to issue the message that border=1 is obsolete.

Though the issue have been decided by the HTML working group, then, if my
opinion is interesting:

I disagree with your attitude of creating a dichotomy between using CSS and
using native HTML features, such as table@border=1. It is a false dichotomy. 

When the issue was discussed by the HTMLwg, then, per the understanding of
many, the default display for tables *ought to have been* that tables are

However, that train has passed. Instead we got @border=1 as an optional
feature. I personally would recommend always using @border=1 and rather use CSS
to disable border display when it should not be there. (Unless, of course, we
are speaking layout tables.)

I think you have enough information to remove the message that claims that the
border attribute is obsolete. I reopen the issue.

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