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Re[2]: Fallback flow for /site-meta for top level domains

From: <payment@kahuki.com>
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:31:54 +0000
Message-ID: <19910277271.20081204000835@cinedictum.com>
To: www-talk@w3.org




For my reason my message wasn't included so I am sending it from a
different email which will let it go through I think, sorry for the
incovenience. Here you go:

I think once the browsers and also the search engine will finally
accept that http://www.example.com, www.example.com, example.com and
even www.example.com/index.htm, http://example.com/index.html, or
example.com/index.php, etc. - are all the same page - many problems
will be solved for both webmasters and regular users.

Kindest regards,
Shavkat
SEO Manager - Unlimited SEO Consulting
http://www.seomanager.com


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Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 8:53:46 AM, you wrote:


> Ah, I see where your confusion is coming from. The average user does
> not know that www.vanity-domain.com/bob is a different URL from
> vanity-domain.com/bob (or alternatively, that www.vanity-domain.com is
> a different location than vanity-domain.com). We can thank all the
> major browsers for that.

> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Breno de Medeiros <breno@google.com> wrote:
>> The 'naked domain' version of the site may not be DNS-resolvable,
>> while the www. prepended version of the domain may be. In addition,
>> the fact that a resource URL does not exist (in the sense that it
>> might return a 404) does not mean that it cannot have meaningful
>> associated meta-data.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 03/12/2008, at 1:35 PM, Breno de Medeiros wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/12/2008, at 1:25 PM, Dirk Balfanz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, here is the scenario: I buy foobar.com for $3/year at
>>>>>> cheapdomains.com. I pay an extra dollar to have "email", which means I
>>>>>> tell
>>>>>> them where I want my email forwarded. I pick dirk@foobar.com to be
>>>>>> forwarded
>>>>>> to dirk@gmail.com. I pay another extra dollar per year for "web
>>>>>> hosting",
>>>>>> which means I get a web interface on cheapdomains.com to create some web
>>>>>> pages, which get served on www.foobar.com. I set up a couple of pages
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> with pictures of my cats or whatever and I am done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I now also want to use my email address dirk@foobar.com as my OpenID
>>>>>> identifier [1] because I heard that that will end my having to create
>>>>>> ever-more accounts on the web. I am told that in order to get that to
>>>>>> work I
>>>>>> need to host a page called "site-meta" on my site with some
>>>>>> weird-looking
>>>>>> text in it that I don't understand. But, hey, I know how to get that
>>>>>> served
>>>>>> off www.foobar.com so that's cool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never heard of DNS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that a use case we want to support?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dirk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] Let's assume that OpenID 3.0 and XRD 2.0 allow that and define some
>>>>>> way to discover OpenID endpoints from email addresses.
>>>>>
>>>>> /site-meta on http://foobar.com/ doesn't (and can't, on its own) make any
>>>>> authoritative assertions about mailto:dirk@foobar.com; even though the
>>>>> authority is the same, the URI scheme is different.
>>>>
>>>> The email address is a distraction here. The core issue is independent of
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> vanity-example.com (hosted only at www.vanity-example.com) is a small
>>>> site and wants to enable all their user URLs
>>>> www.vanity-example.com/bob, www.vanity-example.com/alice to be useful
>>>> as discovery endpoints for user services. Thankfully some other site,
>>>> more professionally managed, is willing to provide discovery services,
>>>> aggregation, etc., on behalf of the users of these vanity domains.
>>>
>>> You just lost me. Why is it important to have site metadata for a site that
>>> doesn't exist, if the e-mail issue is a distraction?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Nottingham     http://www.mnot.net/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Breno
>>
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