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Re: ACTION-784: F2F discussion of layering

From: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:18:32 -0400
Message-ID: <513CCE78.7080208@arcanedomain.com>
To: Yehuda Katz <yehuda.katz@jquery.com>
CC: Alex Russell <slightlyoff@google.com>, "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
OK, terrific, thank you. Remember: you don't have to come in with all the 
right answers. The TAG and the community on this list will work together to 
decide what if anything we should do: what's very helpful is if you can at 
least help us articulate the right questions, and bring us up to speed on 
pertinent facts and proposals, in whatever state they may be. To the extent 
you know, please suggest what you think the goals and success criteria for 
TAG work might be.

Again, we tend to do best if these presentations are reasonably balanced, 
so if you know there are others out there who disagree (and on this one 
there may not be), please do your best to also explain their points of view 
too.

I'll pencil in at least one slot, likely for 90 mins, which we consider a 
long session. There will likely be unscheduled time later in the meeting, 
so if we need to come back to it, we probably can. We can also wrap early 
if 90 mins is too much; agendas tend to get adjusted as we go.

As to calls: Tuesday evening is not good for me. I could probably do Monday 
at 9:30 PM my time, which is 6:30 for you I think (but very late for Alex). 
  If Alex wants to join, I could probably do about noon on Tues, which 
would be 9AM for you, and 5PM for him. Let's take the discussion of phone 
scheduling to private email.

Thank you again.

Noah

On 3/10/2013 1:41 PM, Yehuda Katz wrote:
>
> On Mar 10, 2013 9:08 AM, "Noah Mendelsohn" <nrm@arcanedomain.com
> <mailto:nrm@arcanedomain.com>> wrote:
>  >
>  > Alex and Yehuda:
>  >
>  > As we discussed on the call last week, you have
>  >
>  > ACTION-784: on - Alex Russell - with help from Yehuda to frame F2F
> discussion of layering - Due: 2013-03-04 - OPEN
>  >
>  > Yehuda mentioned on the call that you are indeed working on this, and
> now I need to be sure we have the appropriate agenda items and supporting
> material in place. Since this is your first time framing an issue for the
> TAG, I'll go into more detail than usual, starting with some general
> background, then specifics.
>  >
>  > I assume that your interest here is to explore the possibility that the
> TAG might undertake a project focusing on some aspects of system layering.
> The general process is that you would prepare emails or other written
> materials supporting your case, and with or without such materials, prepare
> to make a presentation in person at the F2F. My goal here is to help you
> get ready for that.
>
> Thanks a lot. As a new member, I am definitely not fully aware of all the
> norms around this sort of proposal.
>
>  >
>  > General
>  > -------
>  >
>  > * It's up to you, but one often gets better discussion at the F2F if
> ideas are outlined first in email postings, blog postings, white papers,
> etc. Please identify to me anything you'd like listed as required reading ASAP.
>
> I can let you know in the next couple of days. Alex and I wrote at length
> about this in our election campaigns, and I will pull together some
> representative samples today or tomorrow.
>
> My presentation will also focus on a particular example; unfortunately, not
> all of the specifications I will talk about are yet public. I will try to
> get permission to send them along in the next few days at their current
> level of completion.
>
>  >
>  > * The TAG requires that before we make a long-term investment in a
> project, we agree on the sorts of information you'll find in the product
> pages for our other projects [1]. That is basically: what are the goals of
> the effort; what are more specific success criteria (e.g. who are we trying
> to influence, what problems are we trying to prevent, what opportunities
> are we trying to realize); what are the expected deliverables; who is
> assigned? We do NOT need all of this immediately, and it's OK if it takes a
> few months to get consensus that it's a good project. The more you can do
> to convince other TAG members that we have good answers to these questions,
> the more likely we are to agree to a project, and then to succeed with it.
>
> Sounds great. I will think about these questions and address them, to the
> best of my ability, in the presentation.
>
>  >
>  > * My experience is that we get a better start on these things if the
> initial presentations are balanced and present multiple sides of a
> question, at least if there is likely to be controversy in the community.
>  >
>  >
>  > Specifics
>  > ---------
>  >
>  > Alex and Yehuda: what I need from you in the next couple of days is:
>  >
>  > * Agreement from Yehuda that he will present on behalf of himself and
> Alex, outlining the issues and giving initial ideas for what the TAG might
> do. Again, please try to be balanced and present any contrary positions
> you're aware of in the community.
>
> Agreed.
>
>  >
>  > * Alert me to anything specific you'd like to have included in the F2F
> agenda. I'm willing to devote multiple sessions to this, or at least to
> leave slots free should we find the need for more than 60-90 mins.
>
> Let's discuss this when we talk via voice.
>
>  >
>  > * I need any required reading you'd like other TAG members to review.
>
> I'll get that to you tomorrow evening.
>
>  >
>  > * I need some guidance on the goals and background section for the
> agenda. Use as your guide recent F2F agendas like the one at [2]. Note that
> each item needs goals for the session, and links to any background (don't
> be confused: after the meeting we link minutes from the agendas -- just
> look at the agenda part of the table, and especially the specific sections
> below the table).
>  >
>  > * I think it might be useful if the three of us had a brief discussion
> this week to make sure planning for this session is coming together. Might
> you be available for a few minutes? My schedule is crazy, but if you're
> interested, we can work out times.
>
> Both Alex and I will be at the Face to Face for TC39 all week, but we might
> be able to make a conversation in the evening (although I wouldn't presume
> to speak for Alex).
>
> I assume we would want to do it earlier in the week; if evenings work, I
> can do Tuesday.
>
>  >
>  > If there's anything I can do to help, let me know.
>  >
>  > Noah
>  >
>  > [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/
>  > [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/06/12-agenda
>
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