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RE: TAG teleconference agenda for 6 December 2012

From: Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:26:52 -0800
To: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>, "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>, Norman Walsh <Norman.Walsh@marklogic.com>
CC: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, "Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com" <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>
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My initial email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Nov/0050.html included a bugzilla link:

> It would be useful to review the arguments in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19923  including the bug as submitted by Henri and the subsequent arguments in the HTML mailing list.

And an apology:

> I had taken the task of gathering together background reading for the TAG, but it's difficult to extract the technical issues in the mail thread from the long discussions of working group process. 

And a suggestion:

> I think it would be good to include the editor of the draft in discussions about it.

Cc to Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noah Mendelsohn [mailto:nrm@arcanedomain.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 2:57 PM
> To: www-tag@w3.org; Norman Walsh
> Cc: Henri Sivonen; Sam Ruby; Maciej Stachowiak; Paul Cotton
> Subject: TAG teleconference agenda for 6 December 2012
> 
> The agenda for the TAG teleconference of 6 December 2012 (tomorrow) is now
> available at [1,2] and in text-only form below. TAG members are strongly
> encouraged to read in advance the background material linked from the
> agenda relating to the proposal that the TAG rescind its request that the
> HTML working group published a "polyglot" specification. The chair of the
> TAG's HTML/XML task force, Norm Walsh, will be joining us for the call.
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> Noah
> 
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/12/06-agenda

> [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/tag-weekly

> 
> ==========================================================
> 
>     [1]W3C | [2]TAG | Previous: [3]29 November 2012 This: [4]6
>     December 2012 Next: [5]13 December 2012
> 
>        [1] http://www.w3.org/

>        [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/

>        [3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/11/29-agenda

>        [4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/12/06-agenda

>        [5] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/12/06-agenda

> 
>                Agenda of 6 December 2012 TAG Teleconference
> 
>     Nearby: [6]TAG work plan - [7]Teleconference details -
>     [8]issues list - [9]open actions - [10]pending review actions -
>     [11]www-tag archive - [12]tag archive
>      1. Convene
>            + Chair: Noah Mendelsohn, Scribe: Ashok Malhotra
>              (confirmed)
>            + Regrets: Tim-Berners, Henry Thompson
>            + Future regrets:
>            + Agenda Review - [13]this agenda
>            + Next Meeting: 13 Dec. 2012, Chair: Noah Mendelsohn
>            + Future scribes: Peter Linss -> Yves Lafon -> Henry
>              Thompson
>      2. Approve minutes of prior meeting(s)
>            + [14]29 November 2012
>      3. Administrative items
>            + TAG election
>                 o [15]TAG election call for votes (W3C
>                   member-only): 9 candidates for four seats
>                 o Per agreement from the candidates, election
>                   [16]position statements are now public. The
>                   expectation is that discussion will be held on
>                   the www-tag mailing list.
>            + Reminder: January TAG meeting is now 14-16 January
>              (Mon-Wed) in Cambridge, MA USA. This is a change from
>              earlier plans to meet on the West Coast. The March
>              meeting may be moved to San Jose.
>      4. Close pending Actions without discussion
>            + The chair suggests that the following actions are
>              ready to close without further discussion. If that
>              proves incorrect, any necessary discussion will
>              defered until the other [17]Pending Review Items slot
>              later in this call.
>            + Actions to be closed:
>                 o [18]ACTION-769: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Informally
>                   inform Jeff that we did not at this time identify
>                   urgent technical matters for his consideration -
>                   PENDING REVIEW ([19]Note to Jeff) was sent
>      5. [20]ISSUE-67 (HTML-XML-Divergence-67): HTML / XML
>         Unification
>            + Norm Walsh will be joining us by phone for this
>              session
>            + Goals:
>                 o Consider the request from Henri Sivonen that the
>                   TAG [21]Rescind the request to the HTML WG to
>                   develop a polyglot guide
>            + Background:
>                 o [22]E-mail from Sam Ruby (26 March 2010)
>                   conveying to HTML WG the TAG's request that a
>                   "there should be in TR space a document which
>                   specifies how one can create a set of bits which
>                   can be served EITHER as text/html OR as
>                   application/xhtml+xml, which will work
>                   identically in a browser in both bases."
>                 o Sam's request appears to be a follow-on to a
>                   joint discussion between the TAG and the HTML
>                   working group chairs which occurred on 24 March
>                   2010 ([23]minutes). Tim Berners-Lee is quoted in
>                   those minutes as saying "I want that there should
>                   be in TR space a document which specifies how I
>                   can create a set of bits which I can server
>                   EITHER as text/html OR as xhtml+xml, which will
>                   work in a browser in both cases, as Sam does on
>                   his web site." (typos fixed [Noah]).
>                 o W3C Working Group Note [24]HTML/XML Task Force
>                   Report W3C Working Group Note 9 February 2012
>                 o Request from Henri Sivonen that the TAG
>                   [25]Rescind the request to the HTML WG to develop
>                   a polyglot guide ([26]Henri and the [27]HTML
>                   working group chairs clarify that this request is
>                   from Henri as an individual, not formally on
>                   behalf of the HTML working group. Nonetheless, it
>                   will be useful to the working group to have
>                   guidance within the next two weeks.)
>                 o [28]Comments on Henri's request from Larry
>                   Masinter
>      6. Pending Review Items:
>            + [29]Pending review actions in [30]Tracker
>      7. Overdue Action Items:
>            + [31]Overdue actions in [32]Tracker
>      8. Any other business
>       __________________________________________________________
> 
>        [6] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/

>        [7] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/#telcon

>        [8] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues

>        [9] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/open

>       [10] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview

>       [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/

>       [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/

>       [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/12/06-agenda

>       [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/11/29-minutes

>       [15]
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-

> members/2012OctDec/0052.html
>       [16] http://www.w3.org/2012/12/03-tag-nominations

>       [18] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/769

>       [19] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Dec/0002.html

>       [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/67

>       [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Nov/0047.html

>       [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Mar/0703.html

>       [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/24-tagmem-

> minutes.html#item05
>       [24] http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-html-xml-tf-report-20120209/

>       [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Nov/0047.html

>       [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Dec/0013.html

>       [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Dec/0000.html

>       [28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Dec/0017.html

>       [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview

>       [30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/

>       [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner

>       [32] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/

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