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(unknown charset) Re: Arrested - re: TAG ISSUE-25 deep linking

From: (unknown charset) Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:46:46 +0000
To: (unknown charset) (unknown charset) Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Cc: (unknown charset) Jonathan Rees <jar@creativecommons.org>, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>, TAG List <www-tag@w3.org>
Message-ID: <f5bwrk56czt.fsf@calexico.inf.ed.ac.uk>
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[oops, resent with missing references filled in]
So, the distant-reference (<a href="...">) vs. transclusion (<img
src="..."/> or <object...>... ) issue does seem fundamental to me.

So I did some digging, using the Internet Archive.

As of 20 January 2008, all the 'links' on the channelsurfing.net home
page [1] were links to other pages at channelsurfing.net, e.g. [2],
which in turn _were_ set up to use transclusion to present streaming
video from e.g. [3] in a context provided by channelsurfing.net, with
their advertisements surrounding the feed:

 <OBJECT ... CLASSID="CLSID:22D6F312-B0F6-11D0-94AB-0080C74C7E95"
   CODEBASE="http://activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/
              mplayer/en/nsmp2inf.cab#Version=5,1,52,701"
   STANDBY="Loading Microsoft Windows Media Player..."
   TYPE="application/x-oleobject">
  <PARAM NAME="FileName" value="rtsp://stream.maniatv.com/tomgreenlive">
  . . .
 </OBJECT >

This pattern persists as of 21 June 2008, which is the last date for
which I was able to retrieve a channelsurfing.net page [4] from the
Internet Archive.  They list a page for 25 October 2009, but I have so
far been unable to download it.

It seems to me this approach is fundamentally different, from a Web
Architecture _and_ a copyright perspective, from what
e.g. cyclingfans.com [5] does, which is aggregate information about
live streaming coverage of cycle races, using distant-references.  In
particular, any attempt to describe the channelsurfing.net case as
"just another deep-linking case" is at best a gross
over-simplification.

ht

[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20080110181321/http://www.channelsurfing.net/index.html
[2] http://web.archive.org/web/20080110181321/http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-tom-green.html
[3] rtsp://stream.maniatv.com/tomgreenlive
[4] http://web.archive.org/web/20080601213719/www.channelsurfing.net/watch-pokerzone.html
[5] http://www.cyclingfans.com/
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