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Re: Normative status of author-only view of the HTML5 specification

From: Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:48:02 -0700
Message-ID: <BANLkTinZRX8U0Dd51BSAeYV2rK7uB0uN-w@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>
Cc: James Graham <jgraham@opera.com>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>, "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>, "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Roy T. Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Roy T. Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com> wrote:
>>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 1:09 PM, James Graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Paul Cotton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Given that we would then have two documents with normative status describing how HTML is defined. Which of the two is authoritative if the two don't agree?
>>>>>
>>>>> Our goal is have the two documents agree - the author-only view is generated directly from the HTML5 spec.
>>>>
>>>> Nevertheless it seems undesirable to have two different documents claim authority over what constitues valid HTML. I would much prefer the document containing only the author view of the spec to be explicitly informative and clearly marked as a subset of the full HTML5 spec published for the convenience of one target audience.
>>>
>>> The audience of HTML5 authors and authoring tool makers is several orders of magnitude larger than the audience of browser makers. Given the way that the full spec is written, it will not be considered authoritative regardless of what is in the front matter.  If the author-only view is authoritative, then there will be pressure to both keep it in sync with the larger spec and keep the work at W3C.  If the author-only view is not authoritative, then there is no need for it to be in sync with a larger spec that nobody implements -- it will be replaced by documents that accurately describe HTML as implemented.
>>
>> Again, this doesn't actually answer the question at hand.
>
> *sigh*
>
> The answer is that it is desirable for both documents to be authoritative or for *only* the author view to be authoritative.  This has already been discussed.  This was a constraint that the TAG placed on continuance of the browser-centric spec.  If you want to object to the full HTML5 spec being authoritative, feel free to do so.

So you are saying then that if they disagree the author view should be
the authoritative? Can we make sure to explicitly state so in the spec
if that is what people agree should be the case?

/ Jonas
Received on Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:49:07 GMT

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