- From: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>
- Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:29:33 -0400
- To: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
The agenda for the TAG F2F of 19-21 October 2010 is now available at [1]
and in text-only form below. This was prepared based on the requests and
input available as of Tuesday, 12 October. Since then, several additional
requests have been received. I will go through those tomorrow and try to
accomodate as many as I can manage; the rest we can deal with in person at
the meeting.
One other thing I'd like TAG members to consider: this agenda is quite
full. It's been driven, to a significant degree, by specific requests I've
received at one time or another; these generally turn into actions of the
form "Noah to schedule discussion of XXX at the October F2F". That doesn't
necessarily mean that these are the best priorities; for example, it may be
that two sessions on Larry's MIME work and related topics would be a better
use of time than some of the other things currently listed. I am very open
to suggestions on re-prioritizing, though I think we should select mostly
from the items already listed.
Also: I will have some time to work on this tomorrow, Thursday, and then be
more or less "off the air" with only occasional email access until the
meeting. I'll do my best to continue to process requests when I can, but
no guarantees that I'll manage.
Thank you.
Noah
[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/10/19-agenda.html
[1]W3C | [2]TAG
[1] http://www.w3.org/
[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/
W3C TAG meeting 19-21 October 2010 in Mountain View, CA, USA
Nearby: [3]issues list - [4]findings - [5]www-tag archive - [6]tag
archive - Actions: ([7]open, [8]pending review) [9]logistics
[3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues
[4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings
[5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/
[6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/
[7] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/open
[8] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview
[9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2010Oct/0015.html
Agenda Summary
Tuesday 19 October
Agenda
08:30-9:00 Arrive & Set up. Please have your computers and network
connections set up for a prompt start at 9AM.
09:00-09:30
* [10]Convene, review agenda
09:30-10:30
* [11]IETF Draft on Mime and the Web
10:30-10:45 Break (15 mins)
10:45-12:00
* [12]HTML / XML Unification
12:00-13:15 Lunch (75 mins)
13:15-14:45
* [13]Generic Processing of Fragids with Norm Walsh (phone) and
Martin Duerst (in person)]
14:45-15:15
* [14]IRIEverywhere-27: Adam Barth E-mail Review
15:15-15:30 Break (15 mins)
15:30-16:30
* [15]Administrative issues:
+ Future F2F meetings
+ TAG Election
+ TPAC Logistics
Wednesday 20 October
Agenda
09:00-10:00
* [16]Web Applications: Client-side State
10:00-10:30
* [17]Web Application Architecture: Overview
10:30-11:00 Break (30 mins)
11:00-12:15
* [18]URNsAndRegistries-50: Domain Name Persistence
12:15-13:30 Lunch (75 mins)
13:30-16:30
* [19]TAG hosts visitors (we may shorten this session depending on
how many visitors join us)
Thursday 21 October
Agenda
09:00-10:00
* [20]metadataArchitecture-63: Metadata Architecture
10:00-10:30
* [21]IRIEverywhere-27: Status update on issue IRIEverywhere and
IRIbis work at IETF
10:30-10:45 Break (15 mins)
10:45-noon
* [22]Privacy on the Web
noon-13:30 Lunch (90 mins)
13:30-14:15
* [23]Web Application Architecture: Design of APIs for Web
Applications
14:15-15:00
* [24]HttpRedirections-57: Redirecting from secondary resource to
secondary resource
15:30-15:30 break (30 minutes)
15:30-17:00
* [25]Action item review
* Any other business
Logistics
Venue
Google
Mountain View, CA, USA (further details to be provided)
See [26]logistics for further details.
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2010Oct/0015.html
Preparation
See "(required reading)" annotations in agenda items below.
Agenda Details
1. Convene, review agenda
+ Scribes: TAG members are encouraged to sign up by email in
advance of the meeting
+ Roll call
+ F2F Main Goals:
o Make progress on writing related to Web Application
Architecture
o XML / HTML integration
o Other technical topics
2. [27]ISSUE-66 (mimeAndWeb-66-27): IETF Draft on MIME and the Web
+ Warning: Larry may update the draft prior to the F2F
+ Goal:
o Review draft-masinter-mime-web-info-00 [28]Internet
Media Types and the Web (Required reading)
+ Background:
o [29]ACTION-467: on - Larry Masinter - Revise Mime &
Web blog entry, perhaps leading to Internet Draft -
Due: 2010-09-21 - CLOSED
o [30]ACTION-458: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule
discussion of followup actions for TAG to coordinate
with IETF on MIME-type related activities - Due:
2010-09-28 - PENDING REVIEW
o Larry writes: I've submitted the document to Internet
Drafts - - it should show up at
[31]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-masinter-mime-web
-info-00
o [32]Previous version (blog posting).
o During [33]discussion on 23 Sept. 2010 it was agreed
that TAG members would read
[34]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-masinter-mime-web
-info-00 and be prepared for detailed discussion
today.
o [35]Discussion on 30 Sept. 2010
3. [36]ISSUE-54 (TagSoupIntegration-54): HTML / XML Unification
+ Goals:
o Review June 2010 TAG decision to endorse task to drive
reunification of XML and HTML
o Work with Tim to decide most effective next steps on
his [37]ACTION-437
+ Background:
o [38]Note from T.V. Raman
o [39]ACTION-433: on - Tim Berners-Lee - Help Tim get in
touch with staff etc. re XML/HTML unification - Due:
2010-05-28 - CLOSED
o [40]ACTION-427: on - John Kemp - Read 4 distributed
extensibility proposals and summarize them w.r.t.
proposals TAG has discussed to date - Due: 2010-11-01
- CLOSED
o [41]ACTION-437: on - Tim Berners-Lee - Create a task
force on XML / HTML convergence - Due: 2010-06-14 -
OPEN
o Discussion on 7 June 2010 F2F: [42]"TAG recommends the
formation of a task force to drive the reunification
of XML and HTML"
o [43]HTML/XHTML Compatibility Authoring Guidelines
(draft from HTML WG)
o [44]September/October 2010 HMTL WG poll on distributed
extensibility
o [45]TAG endorses "like SVG" extension mechanism for
HTML5
4. [46]ISSUE-39 (rdfURIMeaning-39-27): Generic Fragment ID
Processing
+ The TAG developed a [47]change proposal for RFC 3023bis at
the June TAG 2010 F2F (London). Several commentators
expressed concern with the TAG's proposal, and we
[48]promised to take up these concerns in Sept.. We had
some [49]discussion on 16 Sept. 2010, but that was not
conclusive.
+ Earlier actions:
o [50]ACTION-449: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule
discussion of pushback on generic handling of fragment
IDs in application/xxx+xml media types (self-assigned)
- Due: 2010-09-16 - CLOSED
o [51]ACTION-450: on - Yves Lafon - Investigate generic
processing of svg+xml and XHTML+xml - Due: 2010-07-01
- CLOSED
o [52]ACTION-453: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Let 3023bis
folks know that we are aiming to resolve generic
processing concerns in Sept, after Larry returns. -
Due: 2010-09-16 - CLOSED
+ Earlier technical discussion:
o [53]Concerns expressed by Norm Walsh and others
regarding [54]TAG Proposal on Generic processing of
Fragment IDs for +xml formats
o [55]Discussion on 24 June 2010, [56]discussion on 15
July, [57]19 August 2010, and [58]16 September 2010.
o [59]Email from Larry Masinter and thread following
from that
o Email: [60]fragment processing for SVG, from Yves
Lafon.
o [61]Discussion on 30 September 2010
+ [62]ACTION-466: on - Larry Masinter - Ask Norm, Roy and
Martin for concrete use cases where generic processing of
fragment ids is important - Due: 2010-10-12 - OPEN
+ Larry sent a [63]message to Norm, Roy, et. al.; no
responses received yet, what's next?
5. [64]ISSUE-27 (IRIEverywhere-27): Adam Barth E-mail Review
+ Goal:
o Discuss [65]Adam Barth email "Change proposal for
(HTML WG) ISSUE - 56"
+ Background:
o [66]ACTION-448: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule
discussion of
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Ju
n/0394.html on 26 August (followup to 24 June and 12
August discussion) - Due: 2010-10-12 - PENDING REVIEW
o Previous discussion [67]on 24 June 2010, [68]12 August
2010, and [69]2 September 2010
6. Privacy on the Web
+ Goals:
o Consider implications of recent developments relating
to Web privacy and HTML5
o Consider [70]TAG involvement or input to upcoming
privacy workshop
o Consider TAG Finding on Privacy
+ Background:
o Required reading: [71]Email thread on "Evercookies"
o Additional reading: New York Times Article [72]New Web
Code Draws Concern Over Privacy Risks (registration
required)
o [73]ACTION-460: on - Daniel Appelquist - Coordinate
with IAB regarding next steps on privacy policy - Due:
2010-10-12 - OPEN
o [74]ACTION-470: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Ask Thomas
about TAG involvement in privacy workshop - Due:
2010-09-30 - CLOSED ([75]Email from Noah to Thomas
Roessler
7. [76]ISSUE-63 (metadataArchitecture-63): Metadata Architecture
+ Goals:
o Discuss new writing on metadata (to be supplied)
o Consider next steps on metadata
+ Background:
o Required reading: [77]Larry Masinter's suggested list
of readings on metadata
o [78]ACTION-282: on - Jonathan Rees - Draft a finding
on metadata architecture. - Due: 2010-10-21 - OPEN
o [79]Telcon discussion on 16 September 2010 (note that
F2F discussion is requested
8. [80]Web Application Architecture: Overview
+ Goals:
o Make a clearer plan for the content, form, and
expected publication date of TAG deliverables relating
to Web Applications
+ Background:
o [81]ACTION-434: on - Daniel Appelquist - Prepare
discussion of structure of what we want to do about
web apps architecture... - Due: 2010-10-18 - OPEN
o May 2010 notes from DanA on ACTION-434: [82]Web
Application Architecture (these were prepared for the
June 2010 F2F
9. [83]Web Application Architecture: Client-side state
+ Goals:
o Review and refine Ashok Malhotra's writeup on
client-side state
o Decide whether the TAG wants to produce a Finding on
issues relating to client side state (note that the
discussion of privacy and Evercookies is related, but
the "state" discussion is broader than just privacy
concerns)
+ Background:
o Required readding: [84]Client-side Storage by Ashok
Malhotra ([85]announcement of draft availability)
o [86]ACTION-430: on - Ashok Malhotra - Propose a plan
for his contributions to section 5: Client-side state
- Due: 2010-09-09 - OPEN
10. [87]Web Application Architecture: Design of APIs for Web
Applications
+ Goals:
o Review and refine Dan Appelquists' writeup on API
design
o Decide whether the TAG wants to produce a Finding on
Design of APIs for Web Applications
+ Background:
o Required reading: Dan Appelquist writeup on API Design
- To Be Supplied
o [88]ACTION-461: on - Daniel Appelquist - Draft
"finding" on Web Apps API design - Due: 2010-10-31 -
OPEN
11. [89]ISSUE-50 (URNsAndRegistries-50): Domain name persistence
+ Goals:
o Consider Jonathan Rees' latest work on hyperlink
persistence (if available)
o Decide next steps, if any, for TAG work on hyperlink
persistence
+ Background:
o Required reading: Jonathan is hoping to have some
writing for us to consider
o [90]ACTION-444: on - Jonathan Rees - Draft a white
paper on link persistence - Due: 2010-10-11 - OPEN
o [91]ACTION-414: on - Henry S. Thompson - Prepare a
draft agenda, including goals and means, for a
proposed afternoon session with invited guests, and
circulate for discussion prior to a decision, on the
subject of addressing the persistence of domain names
- Due: 2010-06-01 - CLOSED
o [92]June 2010 F2F discussion of domain name
persistence
12. [93]ISSUE-57 (HttpRedirections-57): Redirecting from secondary
resource to secondary resource
+ Goals:
o Decide what the "right answer" is when A#B is
redirected to C#D
o Decide what the TAG should do to promote good practice
regarding such redirections
+ Background:
o [94]ACTION-462: on - Yves Lafon - Write draft of best
practices on redirection for secondary resources (with
help from Tim) - Due: 2010-10-05 - PENDING REVIEW
o Required reading: [95]Email from Yves Lafon on
redirection of secondary resources and thread
following from that.
o [96]ACTION-456: on - Yves Lafon - Locate past HTTP WG
discussion on Location: A#B change, and make the TAG
aware of it - Due: 2010-08-17 - CLOSED
o Email from Yves: [97]Fragments in HTTP redirects
o [98]Technical discussion on 12 August, and [99]2
September 2010
13. [100]ISSUE-27 (IRIEverywhere-27): Status update on issue
IRIEverywhere and IRIbis work at IETF
+ Goals:
o On 2 Sept. 2010, Henry Thompson [101]requested a F2F
update on IRI
+ Background:
o [102]ACTION-459: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule F2F
discussion of IRIbis status and Larry's proposal -
Due: 2010-10-05 - OPEN
o [103]ACTION-410: on - Larry Masinter - Let the TAG
know whether and when the IRIEverywhere plan in HTML
WG went as planned - Due: 2010-11-01 - OPEN
14. TAG Hosts Visitors:
+ We will hold discussions with several visitors who are
working on technologies of particular interest to the TAG.
15. Administrative issues:
+ TAG election
+ Future TAG F2F meetings
o Decide Winter TAG F2F location and dates
o Plan for Lyon TPAC participation
16. Action item review:
+ [104]Pending review actions in [105]Tracker
+ [106]Overdue actions in [107]Tracker
+ [108]Open actions in [109]Tracker
_________________________________________________________
[27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/66
[28] http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-masinter-mime-web-info-00.html
[29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/467
[30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/458
[31] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-masinter-mime-web-info-00
[32] http://masinter.blogspot.com/2010/06/mime-and-web.html
[33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/23-minutes#item05
[34] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-masinter-mime-web-info-00
[35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/30-minutes.html#item05
[36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/54
[37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/437
[38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/05/WebApps.html
[39] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/433
[40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/427
[41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/437
[42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/10/19-agenda
[43]
http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-xhtml-author-guide/html-xhtml-authoring-guide.html
[44] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-41-objection-poll/results
[45] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Oct/0034.html
[46] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/39
[47] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jun/0125.html
[48] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Aug/0003.html
[49] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/16-minutes#item06
[50] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/449
[51] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/450
[52] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/453
[53] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/10/19-agenda
[54] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Jun/0125.html
[55] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/06/24-minutes#item03
[56] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/07/15-tagmem-minutes#item04
[57] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/08/19-minutes#item06
[58] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/16-minutes#item06
[59] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Aug/0034.html
[60] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Aug/0015.html
[61] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/30-minutes.html#item08
[62] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/466
[63] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Sep/0044.html
[64] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/27
[65] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/10/19-agenda
[66] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/448
[67] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/06/24-minutes#item02
[68] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/08/12-minutes#item04
[69] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/02-minutes.html#item00
[70] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2010Sep/0050.html
[71] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Sep/0038.html
[72] http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/11/business/media/11privacy.html
[73] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/460
[74] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/470
[75] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2010Sep/0050.html
[76] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/63
[77] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Oct/0065.html
[78] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/282
[79] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/16-minutes.html#item05
[80] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/products/7
[81] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/434
[82] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/05/web-apps-notes.html
[83] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/products/7
[84] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/ClientSideStorage.html
[85] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Oct/0001.html
[86] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/430
[87] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/products/7
[88] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/461
[89] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/50
[90] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/444
[91] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/414
[92] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/06/07-minutes.html#item04
[93] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/57
[94] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/462
[95] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Oct/0003.html
[96] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/456
[97] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010Aug/0014.html
[98] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/08/12-minutes#item06
[99] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/02-minutes.html#item03
[100] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/27
[101] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/09/02-minutes.html#item00
[102] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/459
[103] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/410
[104] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview
[105] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/
[106] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue
[107] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/
[108] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/open
[109] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/
Noah Mendelsohn for the TAG
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