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RE: scheduling persistent naming discussion

From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:23:34 -0400
To: "Larry Masinter" <LMM@acm.org>
Cc: "'Jonathan Rees'" <jar@creativecommons.org>, www-tag@w3.org
Message-ID: <OF0CC79B2F.F779EF1A-ON852576EF.00546A48-852576EF.00549002@lotus.com>
I did try hard to schedule important topics and topics of particular 
interest to Larry before his departure, but I'm also aware that I may not 
have guessed right in all cases.  Suggestions for agenda rearrangement are 
most welcome, modulo the fact that our schedule is unusually full, so I 
don't want to burn a lot of time on the rearrangement.   Larry: if you 
have requests for reordering, let me know and I'll see what I can do. 
Pending that, we'll stick with the agenda as it is.

Noah

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"Larry Masinter" <LMM@acm.org>
Sent by: www-tag-request@w3.org
03/23/2010 10:37 AM
 
        To:     "'Jonathan Rees'" <jar@creativecommons.org>, 
<www-tag@w3.org>
        cc:     (bcc: Noah Mendelsohn/Cambridge/IBM)
        Subject:        RE: scheduling persistent naming discussion


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A "name" is just a string. What you really want is not a "persistent name" 
but a "guarantee" -- whatever that might mean -- of a service, generally 
recognized by society -- that will direct others from the name to the 
thing that you want the name to mean.

As long as we call the problem "persistent naming" rather than "persistent 
services", we'll keep on talking in circles.

I've made the link before, but really urge review of the 1999 workshop: 
(9/99) Problems URIs don't solve (http://larry.masinter.net/9909-twist.pdf
) Presentation at  TWIST 99( http://www.ics.uci.edu/IRUS/twist/twist99/) 
The Workshop on Internet-scale Software Technologies, Internet Scale 
Naming.

also 
http://masinter.blogspot.com/2010/03/resources-are-angels-urls-are-pins.html 
.

Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: www-tag-request@w3.org [mailto:www-tag-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Rees
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:02 AM
To: www-tag@w3.org
Subject: scheduling persistent naming discussion

It would be unfortunate to discuss ISSUE-50 without Larry, scheduled
for 3pm Thursday after he's gone, since he provides such an important
skeptic's perspective and has been thinking about this problem for
over a decade.

I don't know how to fix this, though - the only options I see are
swapping with one of the morning sessions, secrets in URIs and content
type override, both of which seem pretty important.

In his absence we would just have to do our best to represent him.

So I just throw this out there without any particular request or
advice. Maybe let's bring it up under agenda review on Monday.

Jonathan
Received on Tuesday, 23 March 2010 15:24:15 GMT

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