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Re: wikileaks - Web Architecture and Robustness

From: Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 22:31:50 -0500
Cc: "www-tag@w3.org WG" <www-tag@w3.org>
Message-Id: <306D462B-E795-431C-B0CE-3311145A1597@w3.org>
To: Karl Dubost <karld@opera.com>
Karl,

All good points.

I brought up my desire to extend HTTP to allow it to gracefully switch to p2p under stress
at the last TAG afce-face meeting.

Tim

On 2010-12 -01, at 20:02, Karl Dubost wrote:

> There's a recent blog post from Ethan Zuckerman about Amazon and wikileaks.
> 
> Summary: I will not introduce wikileaks, you should know what is happenning, except if you have lived under a rock these last few weeks. Wikileaks in the last few days had a few massive DDOS. They decided to switch the hosting of their assets from their servers in Sweeden to the cloud service provided by Amazon. But Amazon decided to unplug wikileaks. They had to go back to their own servers. 
> 
> Why I'm talking about this:
> It is important to see the interaction of the Web architecture and its strengths and weaknesses when the stakes are very high. There are a few things into play:
> 
> * Political
> * Law
> * Technical robustness
> * Information flow
> 
> As Ethan mentionned, the documents themselves are distributed through bittorrent and were then not really affected by the DDOS. But the Web presence was definitely. I was then wondering what would be the part of Web architecture that would to be improved or modified to be as robust as bittorrent in such circumstances without losing the benefits of URI.
> 
>    In ÖMy heartís in Accra Ľ If Amazon has silenced WikileaksÖ
>    At http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2010/12/01/if-amazon-has-silenced-wikileaks/
> 
>    Update: Itís worth mentioning that Wikileaks is 
>    using peer to peer networks to distribute the 
>    actual cables. DDoS may be effective in removing 
>    their web presence, but itís going to have a much 
>    harder time removing the sensitive material from 
>    the internet. The DDoS attacks are actually a 
>    useful reminder that we still donít have a good 
>    way to serve web sites on a purely peer to peer 
>    architecture. That would be one response to the 
>    problems of consolidation Iím talking about hereÖ
> 
> 
> -- 
> Karl Dubost - http://dev.opera.com/
> Developer Relations & Tools, Opera Software
> 
> 
> 
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