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Re: Potential HTML 5 Issues for Discussion

From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:13:23 -0400
To: www-tag@w3.org
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Well, I gotta say everyone out there is quick.  One of the things I put 
off when I rushed out what was advertised as "rough" late last night was 
checking the HTML, all the more obvious since I had put the "push to 
validate as XHTML" button at the bottom.  Not surprisingly, folks on the 
what-wg chat found it quite amusing that someone who has argued for clean 
separation of error and non-error cases posted invalid content.  I take 
your point. 

FWIW, in this particular case, I would have been as happy to have early 
indications of the errors, though I don't doubt that other users in other 
cases would be happy having them silently ignored.  At least in some 
versions of my document (which was hand authored in emacs), the errors 
were causing significant content to silently disappear.  (In other cases 
the errors were indeed mostly harmless.)

BTW: I see that some people on the IRC log seem to take offense at some of 
the issues raised in my note, or at least they observe that the issues are 
no way new to What WG and have been hashed through before.  Fair enough, 
and not particularly surprising I suppose, but please keep in mind that 
these are being offered for consideration and debate by the TAG.   There 
are important pros and cons on both sides of most of these issues, and 
it's our job to try and work through those, as from its own perspective 
the HTML WG/What WG has already done.  It's the TAG's charter is to help 
ensure that specifications like HTML 5 fit effectively into the rest of 
the Web.  I hope you will support us and make constructive contributions 
as we attempt to do that.  I assure that I will do whatever I can to 
ensure that contributions and issues raised by the TAG are as constructive 
and well-considered as we can manage.  Thank you.


Noah Mendelsohn 
IBM Corporation
One Rogers Street
Cambridge, MA 02142

Sent by: www-tag-request@w3.org
09/02/2009 10:49 PM
        To:     www-tag@w3.org
        cc:     (bcc: Noah Mendelsohn/Cambridge/IBM)
        Subject:        Potential HTML 5 Issues for Discussion

As you know, I have asked all TAG members to catalog the potential issues 
that they've discovered in reading sections of the HTML 5 working draft. 
As my initial contribution, I offer [1].  It's in >very< rough form, since 

I'm running late tonight and wanted to get something in for discussion on 
the call tomorrow.  I'm sure that some or many of my concerns will prove 
to be off the mark, or that others will have been poorly set out.  These 
are intended as rough notes to stimulate discussion, and to illustrate the 

sort of information I think we need.

Most of these are issues that I discovered during my reading, but a few 
are ones that I've heard from other TAG members or remembered from our 
earlier discussions, and that I wanted to be sure we remembered to 
discuss.  I've set out space for groupings of "most important", 
"moderately important", and "minor", but tonight have only focused on the 
first section.  I hope this is helpful.

As I've said before, nobody should assume that because we are reviewing 
long lists of potential issues that the TAG will ultimately decide to 
carry forward any or all of these as comments to the HTML 5 WG.  That's 
what the TAG will be considering in coming weeks.  Thank you.


[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/09/TagHTMLIssues.html

Noah Mendelsohn 
IBM Corporation
One Rogers Street
Cambridge, MA 02142
Received on Thursday, 3 September 2009 15:14:04 UTC

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