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Re: HTML and XML

From: Jeff Sonstein <jeffs@it.rit.edu>
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:14:39 -0500
To: www-tag@w3.org
Message-Id: <E8FD7369-3084-4E7D-9470-0F382CA73E1F@it.rit.edu>
Cc: bparsia@cs.man.ac.uk
On Feb 15, 2009, at 7:35 PM, www-tag@w3.org wrote:

> Jeff, my email address is[snip]

good to be able to reply directly

> I understand you were "me to-ing" some of Thompson's statements, but
> you did claim a certain epistemic status in virtue of your particular
> experience. I dispute that status.

I do not claim to be "an expert"
just a humble teacher of practitioners
with a bit of experience

and nowhere near as much as many on this list

> I also dispute both Thompson's sentiments(?) and the evidence he's
> thus presented. And yours as well. :)


> For example, I don't think there is a "notable" lack of people
> advocating XML5.

use in the world will tell that tale
in the end

> You claim, based on your teaching experience, that it is not hard to
> learn to create valid and wellformed XML consistency. There's a lot of
> evidence against it as a general claim and without specifics of your
> sample, its hard to draw sensible conclusions. Indeed, there should
> be, contra what seems to be the presumption here, a pretty strong
> presumption *against* XML's ease. (Just on general grounds of how
> people fare with formal languages; how we handle error in natural
> language, etc.)

you sound pretty "hot" about this...
I do have an opinion
based upon a few years of experience
but that is all...
and I think I am entitled to express that opinion
just as you are entitled to express yours

> In other words, methodologically, it seems safer to presume that
> people will do poorly at authoring well formed XML, and then be
> surprised when they don't.

and here is where we differ

I'm not sure what I wrote that
got you this "hot under the collar" at me
I think we each understand
the position of the other now
I'm for letting more folks on the list
get on with the discussion

and now
back to my <expletive_deleted/> end-of-term grading


"I remember Djindjic said, 'If you are forced
to eat frogs, take the biggest one first.' But
now I'm not sure which is the biggest. We're
now getting more and more frogs, and all of
them are big."
- Goran Pitic -

Prof. Jeff Sonstein

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