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RE: [XRI] XRI-as-Relative-URI proposal (ACTION-189 refers)

From: Drummond Reed <drummond.reed@cordance.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:04:05 -0800
To: "'Booth, David (HP Software - Boston)'" <dbooth@hp.com>, "'Henry S. Thompson'" <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
Cc: <www-tag@w3.org>, "'Peter Davis'" <peter.davis@neustar.biz>, <jbradley@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0978A0B6260C4E94B435BFEAD2687DEF@ELROND>

David,

Thanks much for the input. At the XRI TC F2F last week we officially kicked
off work on the XRI 3.0 specifications based on this new architectural
premise. The specs will be divided into two packages: XRI 3.0, which will be
the abstract syntax and bindings; and XRD 3.0, which will be the metadata
discovery format and protocol.

Rather than waiting until these new specs go into public review, we plan to
be proactive and post notices here when key Working Drafts are posted --
this time around we'd like TAG feedback earlier rather than later in the
process.

Best,

=Drummond 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-tag-request@w3.org [mailto:www-tag-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of
> Booth, David (HP Software - Boston)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:52 PM
> To: Drummond Reed; 'Henry S. Thompson'
> Cc: www-tag@w3.org; 'Peter Davis'; jbradley@mac.com
> Subject: RE: [XRI] XRI-as-Relative-URI proposal (ACTION-189 refers)
> 
> 
> Since I was active in this discussion earlier I just thought I chime in to
> say that I agree with Henry's comments.  I think the XRI-as-Relative-URI
> idea is an excellent direction to go.
> 
> 
> David Booth, Ph.D.
> HP Software
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: www-tag-request@w3.org [mailto:www-tag-request@w3.org]
> > On Behalf Of Drummond Reed
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:41 PM
> > To: 'Henry S. Thompson'
> > Cc: www-tag@w3.org; 'Peter Davis'; jbradley@mac.com
> > Subject: RE: [XRI] XRI-as-Relative-URI proposal (ACTION-189 refers)
> >
> >
> > Henry,
> >
> > Thanks very much for the feedback. Sorry to be slow in
> > responding -- last
> > week we held the XRI TC F2F meeting after Internet Identity
> > Workshop in
> > Mountain View.
> >
> > Thankfully you posted your message before the meeting so we
> > were able to
> > discuss it there. See responses inline.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Henry S. Thompson [mailto:ht@inf.ed.ac.uk]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:41 AM
> > > To: Drummond Reed
> > > Cc: www-tag@w3.org; 'Peter Davis'; jbradley@mac.com
> > > Subject: Re: [XRI] XRI-as-Relative-URI proposal (ACTION-189 refers)
> > >
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> > > Drummond Reed writes:
> > >
> > > > [There's] a new proposal for how XRIs can better fit with AWWW
> > > > architecture.
> > > > . . .
> > > > The proposal is written up on an XRI TC wiki page at:
> > > >
> > > >     http://wiki.oasis-open.org/xri/XriAsRelativeUri
> > >
> > >
> > > I've looked at this in some detail, and agree with others' comments
> > > that it looks like a very good direction to move in.
> > >
> > > I think the clarifications that have emerged in this thread wrt what
> > > you call the concrete/abstract distinction are important, and should
> > > be included, very carefully, in the eventual full specification.
> > >
> > > I have two remaining concerns:
> > >
> > >  1) Very little is said about where the necessary base URIs
> > are going
> > >     to come from.  This is almost certainly corrigible
> > going forward,
> > >     that is, in a new specification, although it will have
> > to be done
> > >     carefully, and, I hope, with reference to either the
> > Infoset [base
> > >     URI] property [1] or XML Base [2] insofar as XML-expressed
> > >     languages are concerned.  Retrospective cleanup, for example wrt
> > >     OpenID's usage of 'short' old-style XRIs such as =jbradley, will
> > >     be more challenging, but should none-the-less be attempted I
> > >     think.
> >
> > We agree that the XRI 3.0 specification must provide clear
> > guidance about
> > the base URI. We will be proactive about asking the TAG for
> > review of the
> > XRI 3.0 syntax and bindings specs as they proceed.
> >
> > >  2) I think the list of candidate schemes which may be used in
> > >     XRI-signalling base URIs is too ambitious,
> > unnecessarily so as far
> > >     as I can see.  Including e.g. ftp: is surely to miss the 80-20
> > >     point by a long way.  More seriously, including urn: is a big
> > >     mistake.  There is no well-defined notion of relative URN, or of
> > >     absolutisation for URNs.  URNs are not what RFC 3986 calls
> > >     'hierarchical identifiers', and the RFC says explicitly [3]:
> > >
> > >        "relative references can only be used within the context of a
> > >         hierarchical URI"
> > >
> > >     Please just don't go there!
> >
> > The XRI TC agrees with you that XRI bindings should be to
> > hierarchical URI
> > schemes. At the F2F meeting we concluded that the initial
> > three XRI bindings
> > will be to http:, https:, and info:. We will consider
> > additional bindings as
> > required over time, but these three should give us plenty to
> > get started
> > with.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > =Drummond
> >
> >
> > > [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-infoset/#infoitem.element
> > > [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlbase/
> > > [3] http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.html#sec-1.2.3
> > > - --
> > >        Henry S. Thompson, School of Informatics, University
> > of Edinburgh
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