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Re: Proposal to remove the phrase "Semantic Web" from the Self-Describing Web draft finding

From: ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:12:19 -0800
Message-ID: <49517E63.4050402@oracle.com>
To: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
CC: Jonathan Rees <jar@creativecommons.org>, "www-tag@w3.org WG" <www-tag@w3.org>

I agree with Dan. 
Jonathan, I'm not sure why you object to using the term Semantic Web.
Surely, it is now a well known term and a term whose use we want to 
encourage.
Moreover, the alternative sentence formulations seem awkward and contrived.
All the best, Ashok


Dan Connolly wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 16:14 -0500, Jonathan Rees wrote:
> [...]
>   
>> Anyhow, below are the changes I suggest.
>>     
> [...]
>
> I'm somewhat ambivalent; I could live with the
> document either with or without most of these changes.
>
> I was pretty happy with them up to this point...
>
>   
>> -----
>>
>> Section 5, last sentence: change
>>
>>   integrate HTML documents into the Semantic Web,
>>
>> to
>>
>>   provide triples that make HTML documents more self-describing,
>>     
>
> I never did like "triples"; it's certainly obscure
> at best in this case. I kinda like "data", though
> it doesn't capture the grounded-in-uri-space nature;
> "linked data" perhaps, but perhaps that's still obscure.
>
> I could go with "logical assertions," or "formulas" but I wonder
> if that's really much of an improvement over "Semantic Web".
>
> And I'm not sure these triples/formulas/whatever make the HTML documents
> more *self*-describing; the terms in the logical assertions aren't
> (typically) defined within the document; they're defined elsewhere
> in the Web. These formulas make the data in the documents
> grounded-in-the-Web, not self-describing.
>
> The rest of these changes I'm likewise somewhat uncomfortable with...
>
>   
>> -----
>>
>> Beginning of 5.1: change
>>
>>   Semantic Web statements
>>
>> to
>>
>>   logical assertions
>>
>> or "triples" if you find "logical assertions" too vague or grandiose.
>>
>> Change
>>
>>   The following example illustrates how RDFa can integrate HTML into the
>>   self-describing Semantic Web:
>>
>> to
>>
>>   The following example illustrates how RDFa can be used to create
>>   self-describing HTML:
>>
>> (or "HTML documents")
>>
>> -----
>>
>> Section 5, paragraph beginning "Even though": change
>>
>>   This document conveys as RDF a set of semantic Web statements about
>>
>> to
>>
>>   This document conveys a set of RDF statements about
>>
>> (or "triples" instead of "statements")
>>
>> Next paragraph: in
>>
>>   An RDFa-enabled user agent can extract these triples and use them to
>>   help Mary work with the data they contain, or to integrate with other
>>   Semantic Web information.
>>
>> change "Semantic Web information" to "sets of triples".
>>
>> Next paragraph: in
>>
>>   Semantic Web triples are inherently self-describing.
>>
>> replace "Semantic Web" with "RDF".
>>
>> -----
>>
>> GPN at the very end of sention 5.2: change
>>
>>   GRDDL should be used to integrate XML documents into the
>>   self-describing Semantic Web.
>>
>> to
>>
>>   GRDDL should be used to enhance an XML document's self-describing
>>   nature.
>>
>> (that's not great - would be happy to work on wording if there's interest)
>>
>> -----
>>
>> After these changes one occurrence of "Semantic Web" should
>> remain. This reference I find unobjectionable.
>>
>> -----
>>
>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments-2008-12-03.html
>>     
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